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Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4

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Ohio puller

09-19-2005 17:28:34




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Two tractors on one trailer, one 4500 lb and one 5500 lb. There has been a lot of debate on the size of chain 5\16 or 3\8 and rachet or pull over binder and two or four on each tractor. Also don't forget, do you use grade 43 or grade 70. The law says minimum grade 70, one to each corner of each tractor and only rachet binders. The cost to replace what I have with 3/8 chains and rachet binders would be around $300.00 per tractor. I would like to have other views about this and to find out if the law is really pushing this on those of us just hauling our own tractors ect. One story was about an antique tractor puller hauling his own tractor was pulled over in Pa. and fined for a unsecured load and wasn't aloud to move till he had 3/8 grade 70 chains and grade 70 rachet binders on all four corners. As the story was told the man had one 5\16 chain to each side in front and one 3\8 chain to rear center of tractor to each corner of trailer binders where all pull over type. The tractor was a Farmal M so that should put the tractor weight, I would guess to be 5000-6000lb and I would'nt think twice about hauling a tractor of that size chained on this way. So what is your opinion or view?

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the tractor vet

09-20-2005 15:12:56




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 Re: Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4 in reply to Ohio puller, 09-19-2005 17:28:34  
Well since i haul oversized loads every day i guess i am the expert you must have to be legal a four point hook X ed also you must have 60% hold back sooooo that means that ya need a total of five chains on each tractor as each grade 7 5/16 chain is only good for 4750 lbs now even though they do have a 10000 lbs load limit Just be glad that your not chaining down a 90000 lb load like i have to do ever sooften . Also if it has a loader or back hoe they each need a chain over that so for you guys that are hauling a tractor and blade plow disc brush hog on the three point ya got to throw a chain over that too.Getting redickulous , but maken the chain and binder people happey.

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Coldiron

09-20-2005 06:33:14




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 Re: Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4 in reply to Ohio puller, 09-19-2005 17:28:34  
Puller, I did what Doyle suggested years ago and it works. The stronger chain puts you in the liability curve where at least you went the extra step for protection. If something should happen and the load comes loose killing someone it couldnt be said that I was negligent in that dept. Just a little insurance. Oh yeah, a trucker friend lost a load years ago, killing a lady and her baby.



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Hermit

09-19-2005 19:40:54




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 Re: Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4 in reply to Ohio puller, 09-19-2005 17:28:34  
Here's a link for a chapter in the DOT's "Driver's Handbook on Cargo Securement".
Hope it helps. Unfortunately, it doesn't cover any individual state hauling requirements. Have fun.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety-security/safety-initiatives/cargo/cs-manual-chap2.htm



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Duane(Pa)

09-20-2005 17:58:19




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 Why don't links work on this fourum? in reply to Hermit, 09-19-2005 19:40:54  
Is it my computer, or is this just the way the board is set up?



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RustyFarmall

09-19-2005 17:54:12




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 Re: Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4 in reply to Ohio puller, 09-19-2005 17:28:34  
I have also heard, and read here, about the new laws. So far I have not been able to verify any of those stories. I have noticed big rigs belonging to machinery dealers on the road with heavy machinery on the trailer and they were using what appeared to be ordinary chains with the over-center type of binders. Personnaly, I do not like the ratchet type binders, I can never get the chain as tight with those as I can with the over center type. The big thing is too make sure those chains are tight and the load is secured so that you will not draw attention to yourself. The last trip I made I noticed what appeared to be a D.O.T. officer following me, eventually he pulled out and passed, and I know he was looking me over in hopes of finding something wrong. He just kept going, and I never saw him again. The tractor I was hauling at the time was a Case-IH MX 110. I had one chain through the drawbar at the rear with one binder, and one more chain around the front axle, again with just one binder. Only one of the chains was a grade 70. Maybe I was lucky?

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Mike M

09-20-2005 05:14:22




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 Re: Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4 in reply to RustyFarmall, 09-19-2005 17:54:12  
Ratchet binders are the only way to go.How you could not get them tight is beyond me ? Many a good man has been screwed up by those over the center binders either by the cheater slipping off and konking them or when releasing them the load lets go all at once and falls on them.



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RustyFarmall

09-20-2005 07:01:35




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 Re: Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4 in reply to Mike M, 09-20-2005 05:14:22  
To each his own I guess but if you look at what the over-the-road truckers are using you will seldom see a ratchet binder. I know the over center binders are dangerous but watch what you are doing, be careful, and you won't get hurt.



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Mike M

09-20-2005 08:59:51




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 Re: Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4 in reply to RustyFarmall, 09-20-2005 07:01:35  
I have also seen the truckers using the over center binders. I kinda figured they wern't going to spend the extra money for one just to have it stolen off the truck ?



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RustyFarmall

09-20-2005 09:32:50




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 Re: Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4 in reply to Mike M, 09-20-2005 08:59:51  
Actually there is not much difference in the cost.



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Doyle Alley

09-20-2005 04:54:21




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 Re: Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4 in reply to RustyFarmall, 09-19-2005 17:54:12  
Let me pass on something I said about this subject earlier. You can save yourself a little money by going to Tractor Supply and buying some pre-made grade 70 tow chains. These things are 20' long and have grab hooks on each end. Cut them in two and put new grab hooks on each cut end and you now have a bunch of 10' chains that cost about half what it would cost to make up the same using bare chain and loose grab hooks.

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Davis In SC

09-20-2005 15:26:07




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 Re: Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4 in reply to Doyle Alley, 09-20-2005 04:54:21  
I did exactly that... The clerk could not understand why I wanted to use the cutter to halve my chains... She could not comprehend that I was getting 2 chains for just a few dollars more than the cost of making up just one... I have noticed now that TSC now only sells the junky binders made in China ...



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evielboweviel

09-21-2005 03:17:15




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 Re: Big chain - Little chain - 2 or 4 in reply to Davis In SC, 09-20-2005 15:26:07  
where do you think the chains come from??



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