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1010 brake pads??? where to buy?

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weum

09-29-2005 06:32:17




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anyone know where I can get brakes for a 1010 john deer? any place cheap that is..




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buickanddeere

09-29-2005 09:55:36




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 Re: 1010 brake pads??? where to buy? in reply to weum, 09-29-2005 06:32:17  
Cheap? You are lucky your 42+ year old tractor was made by a company that is still in business. And that company still carries parts. You were told earlier you could also take those four disk brakes to a clutch rebuilding shop and get them relined.



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Jonathan Brown

09-29-2005 10:59:18




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 Re: 1010 brake pads??? where to buy? in reply to buickanddeere, 09-29-2005 09:55:36  
Another thing to remember is when you buy something cheap, you get something cheap. do you really want your life or a loved ones life depending on a cheap set of brake pads? There are some things that you can cut corners on and save a buck or two, but when safty is an issue you never should. I know that those pad from John Deere are quite expensive, but what is your life worth? the answer is a lot more than cheap brake pads.

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jdemaris

09-29-2005 18:59:27




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 Safety? You gotta be kidding! in reply to Jonathan Brown, 09-29-2005 10:59:18  
In the case of the 1010 Deere wheel-tractor, I can't see what difference the brake-facing can make as far as safety goes. I worked on those things since they were new, and the brakes were always useless - and dangerous - and that is WITH the Deere parts. We tried all sorts of tricks with brand new tractors in attempts to make the brakes works a little better - most to no avail. I can't believe that lesser priced parts can make them worse - I doubt anything can. The 1010 brake system was totally inadequate for any use but flatland with lots of stopping distance.

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Jonathan Brown

09-30-2005 05:17:30




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 Re: Safety? You gotta be kidding! in reply to jdemaris, 09-29-2005 18:59:27  
Sorry, I was try it make a point that people are always willing to cut corners when safty is an issue. My uncle nearly lost a leg one time bcasue he took his PTO shield off his tractor and his pants leg got caught in it. He took it off becasue it was easier to Hook up that way. Not he has a nice scar and a limp to remind him what cutting corners can do. I never said that deere brake part are the best. But I'm sure there better than any cut rate brand. I'm sure any quality aftermarket pad would be just as expensive. But The maufacturer's parts, what ever the make, are whats designed to be on that machine. If people are going to complain about the price of the up keep of their toys then why even buy them in the first place. I bet you like to use nails in place of cotter pins don't ya?

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jdemaris

09-30-2005 05:55:11




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 Re: Safety? You gotta be kidding! in reply to Jonathan Brown, 09-30-2005 05:17:30  
In many cases, a nail is just as effective and safe as the cotter-pin it is to replace - it just does not look as good. As far as cost versus quality when it comes to parts? A higher price does not guarantee a higher quality component although it sometimes works out that way. I've been a mechanic for 40 years, and have found - MANY times that parts sold over the counter by Deere, Case, etc. were made by generic suppliers with a 30-40% added fee once they passed the dealer's counter. It does not happen quite so much anymore, because most of the major tractor and auto companies keep an eye out for what competitive sellers are doing and charging - and then price their own OEM parts accordingly. Deere started doing this in the mid-80s calling it "competitive parts pricing." I usually find now, when searching for a part, if anyone makes or offers it for sale other than the dealer, it will be priced reasonable. If it is NOT offered anywhere else but from the dealer, the price skyrockets. By the way, since you mentioned accidents in the context of "cutting corners", my right leg was severed and reattached and my neck was broken - in an accident with a Deere 3020 that had all its original parts. It was Deere Company that cut the corners. The design was unsafe, period, and Deere was later sued over it. Without the engine running, you have absolutely no brakes or steering - which is not to your advantage when coming down a steep hill with a loaded wagon hitched to the back. In my case, the SynchroRange jumped out of gear (a common ailment), the engine stalled, I lost all steering and brakes, and jumped off just before the tractor crashed.

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Jonathan Brown

09-30-2005 07:24:25




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 Re: Safety? You gotta be kidding! in reply to jdemaris, 09-30-2005 05:55:11  
I don't have a lot of experience with John deere products, the only ones we ever had on the farm were a planter and a combine. Every thing else was IH. Sorry to hear about you accident. your lucky to be alive. I'm glad that JOhn deere got sued. it proves my point even more that cutting corners is a bad thing. But What I am tring to say is that when you go to an auto parts store they have more that one grade of brake pad. a cheap one and a couple more expensive ones. the more expensive ones tend to last longer and work better and that all I was trying to say. I got a little side tracked. You see a lot of people due stupid things on a tractors all for the sake of saving a little money it does not matter if its breakes or any thing elses and that is stuipid. I went to a farmers house on time to pick up a part that I had bought from him and I noticed that his old 15-30 IH had electric fence wire in place of the plug cables. when i asked him why he did that, he said becasue it was cheaper. and that kind of thing bugs me a littler bit. What going to happen when he shockes himself really bad? I will tell you what will happen, he will sue the wire maker becasue the do not have a warning label telling him not to do that sort of thing, then every one else will pay for his stupidity becasue the price of electric fence wire will go up. and I'm sick of it, but theres nothing we can do about it.

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jdemaris

09-30-2005 10:07:16




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 Re: Brake parts and prices in reply to Jonathan Brown, 09-30-2005 07:24:25  
What you say about brake parts and prices is not always true. Sometimes it's hard to tell. Take NAPA for instance. They carry parts from US companies and also from companies in China. Some of the Chinese parts, especially brand-new master cylinders, are much cheaper than "rebuilt" US stuff, and are excellent quality. With brake pads, it is a complicated argument. Some pads are more expensive because they cause less dust, or wear slower (but DO wear the rotors faster). I've had several episodes where the cheapest "economy" pads from NAPA worked much better than their highest priced pads. One case in point is my Chevy 3/4 ton Suburban. The most expensive pads NAPA had for it would lock up when conditions were damp - they'd almost put you through the windshield when you first used them in the morning. They also squealed a lot. So, I went back to NAPA, they said they were having complaints, so in the mean time I installed their cheapest pads. They were much better. I am not claiming that things always work like this, but I am claiming that there is not always an increase in quality with a higher price.

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buickanddeere

09-30-2005 07:07:45




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 Re: Safety? You gotta be kidding! in reply to jdemaris, 09-30-2005 05:55:11  
Most of us didn't know you were injured in an incident and so horribly maimed. I hope you have been restored to a high degree of functionality and the pain from old wounds is bearable. I hope this serves as a warning to those time and cost cutters out there. Then again most seem to think they are too smart and endowed with super human strength plus speed that will allow escape from injury.



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jdemaris

09-30-2005 07:27:50




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 Re: Safety? You gotta be kidding! in reply to buickanddeere, 09-30-2005 07:07:45  
I'm okay now. I didn't think I was going to walk again during the first 6 months - or be able to talk - but I recovered all right. I've got lots of steel in me now and it hurts like H*ll, but that's the way it goes. Sometimes I think most of the damage is in my brain - but those that know me say I've always been like this.
I've been in two bad tractor accidents, both my fault as I see it. I was run over by a Massey Ferguson back in the 70s - after I hotwired the neutral safety-switch for the owner. I stood there, warning him how dangerous it could be - and commenced to start it (while in 1st gear). It went write over me - broke my arm and ribs. That was about the stupidest thing I've ever done.
Years later, with the 3020 accident - I also take full credit for that. I've worked on Deere equuipment most of my life, so the shortcomings of the 2520-3020-4020 steering and brakes were no secret to me. I was moving equipment with my IH tractor, and my neighbor urged me to borrow his 3020 - since it was bigger and faster. The tractor was in very poor condiditon, I did NOT want to use it, but in an effort not to hurt his feelings, used it anyway. BIG MISTAKE. So, I knew better but did it anyway and d*mn near killed myself.
As I said before, Deere had a very bad system for brakes and steering - but it was no secret. I am in charge of my own safety, not some tractor company.

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Mike M

09-30-2005 09:33:17




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 Re: Safety? You gotta be kidding! in reply to jdemaris, 09-30-2005 07:27:50  
So did the owner of the ferguson learn from your lesson and fix that switch ? I also thought that those 3020's had a check valve or something to let the brakes work like normal hyd. brakes on a car without power assist ? I can't see how they could sue Deere over this and not sue every car maker around,especially since they use cheap plain steel lines on cars that rot away leaving you with no brakes.

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jdemaris

09-30-2005 09:56:54




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 Re: Safety? You gotta be kidding! in reply to Mike M, 09-30-2005 09:33:17  
The power-steering and brakes as used in the Deere 2520-3020-4020 is totally different than what is found in cars and trucks. The Deere systems has no mechanical connection, just hydraulic - so when the engine stalls, the steeingwheel does nothing, nor does the brake pedal. Deere did incorporate a hydraulic accumulator which gave a small reserve in case the engine stalled (very little at that). Usually, once a couple of years old, the accumulator's nitrogen charge was lost and they did nothing. In a car or truck, the basic steering and brakes will work without the engine running, just not as well. The automotive power is only power-assist, the mechanical steering is still there, and so is the hydraulic brake system. In regard to crappy brake-lines, yeah, that's kind of interesting. In Europe, plain steel alloy brake lines are not allowed to be used. They use Monel which is highly rust-resistant. In the US, the OEM lines are treated, but they are not Monel. Then, if you buy a replacement from NAPA, or such, the lines are cheap crap and rust out in 18 months. As far as Deere getting sued, they got sued over many things just as other companies have. It was usually kept quiet. I remember Deere getting in hot water over the full-hydraulic steering and brakes in the 2520-3020-4020 series. Also for the lack of parking brakes or shifter-locks in many later 30 and 40 series tractors, so we had to add brake and shifter kits. Also, Deere suffered from a large lawsuit that including every single crawler they ever made with the HL-R transmission including 2010s and 450s. I did many, many, updates on them.

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Mike M

09-30-2005 11:20:33




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 Re: Safety? You gotta be kidding! in reply to jdemaris, 09-30-2005 09:56:54  
What was the "issue" on those crawlers ?



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jdemaris

09-30-2005 12:24:29




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 Re: Safety? You gotta be kidding! in reply to Mike M, 09-30-2005 11:20:33  
Two things. First, with the HL-R transmission itself, the neutral range in the hydraulic shift valve was too narrow - which sometimes permitted the transmission to shift into gear while the shifter was in neutral position. So, we had to install new shift valves, or shift-valve spools into all of them. Second - the four speed range transmission that is coupled to the HL-R had no neutral, only the choice of being in 1,2, 3, or 4. So, we had to add a neutral slot into all of them.

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Mike M

09-30-2005 12:47:37




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 Re: Safety? You gotta be kidding! in reply to jdemaris, 09-30-2005 12:24:29  
If I ever find one cheap & close around here to buy I'll have to remember to look and make sure it was modified. I bet Case had some troubles with their set up for Forward and reverse on the 450. They sure shift with a bang ! I once mistakenly pulled back into reverse when I wanted to make the left track go into lo and it threw me into the roll cage frame OOOUCH !



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