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Problems teaching crew to drive tractor

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DZ

11-01-2005 14:24:17




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I was wondering if anybody ever had a Tractor operating video in spanish or english. The operators manual is nice, but it does not teach a person how to use the tractor efficiently. Such as how to choose the right gear for the operation, how to use turning brakes, and how to safely engage the PTO.

Our crew is all hispanic. I don't want to start a debate over that subject but they are the only ones that have even applied for the job in years. Some of our crew said the closest thing they had to a tractor at home was a mule.

Our crew has a hard time grasping the concept of the High-low transmission. How in Low it is first gear, but in high it is fifth.

A saftey instructional video that would explain some of these things in english or in spanish would be great. Does anybody know of one? I'm sure a video for any one tractor manufacturer would be relevant to all the others.

Thanks.

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Mike (WA)

11-02-2005 17:24:33




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
You just have to have some bilingual person to do the instruction. Tapes and videos won't help- someone has to respond to questions (and be astute enough to bring out questions from shy people). Doesn't even have to be anyone who knows anything about tractors- get a bilingual person to interpret between you and them, and keep at it until they understand how everything works.



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John M

11-02-2005 14:33:50




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
Tell em :
Usted mexicano mudo del asno, si usted linado hace este trabajo, ¡CPORQUÉ EN EL INFIERNO USTED SOLICITÓ ÉL!



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Suprdud

11-03-2005 22:03:59




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 translate: no se habla espanyol in reply to John M, 11-02-2005 14:33:50  
so what was that post of yours? I have considered learning spanish to get a jump on the enemy



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rick YYC

11-02-2005 14:19:52




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 Re: training video in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
a tad expensive, but here is one:



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Tim Shultz

11-02-2005 09:08:09




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
pay more and won't have a problem..
'couse them WHITE GUYS will work for you..
if you are like so many others and only offer 2-3 an hour why would/could a white guy work for you?
Tim Shultz



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RodinNS

11-03-2005 09:06:44




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to Tim Shultz, 11-02-2005 09:08:09  
I don't know what the situation is like in your area, but where I'm at, the people with the talent and versatility to work as a general farm labourer are highly in demand from many sectors. Many sectors that can afford to, and do pay more than farms. Farms simply can't afford to pay the same wages as the oil patch or construction.
The alternatitive, for some, is to hire the local flunkies that are available, pay them more than they're worth, and hope they don't bankrupt you at the dealership. However, I, and a few of my neighbours have simply taken the policy of doing the work ourselves, or not doing the work. It's cheaper that way, and with fewer headaches.
If, by chance you can find a rare specimen that is trainable, treat him well, and endeavour to keep him, coyote or otherwise.
Learning some spanish wouldn't be a bad idea, or getting a translator in the mid term.
I know what's meant about getting people to pick hort crops though. It's near impossible in my area. Some guys are importing Cubans for the harvest. Due to employment laws and the welfare state, locals simply won't bother applying for a job picking. Any pittance they earn over the cheque that is reported is simply clawed off the cheque next month. Any dunce can figure out that if you get the same money to stay home, why work. Used to be kids would do that work for extra money, but that's a thing of the past. Work? Money? that's what ma and pa are for, right? ..... ....

Rod

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DZ

11-02-2005 15:12:51




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to James2, 11-02-2005 09:47:30  
Here is Washington state minnimum wage is $7.35 an hour, we pay $8.00. And still we have not had a "White" person apply for the job in years. Driving tractor is only about 5 -10% of the job. The rest is hand picking strawberries, blackberries, cucumbers, corn ect. Around here white folks don't even apply for that kind of work.



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Chuck MI

11-02-2005 06:34:27




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
The best long term solution to your problem is for you to learn some spanish.



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Rob in Ore

11-02-2005 05:36:20




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
A honcho might be the best idea.
Have you tried your local extension office?
What about picking your best crewman and teaching him only and not allowing others to run the machinery?



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RJ-AZ

11-02-2005 04:43:50




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
When you get it figured out let me know. We have a lot of equipment operators here in Sunny Southern Arizona that can't understand how to shift a two speed truck axle or know when NOT to engage the power divider on a 10 wheel dump truck.
Had one call in several years ago and say his truck won't start. I ask if it cranks or not. He says no the motor she runs but when I go to start the truck won't go. Turned out he had a broken axle.

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Can't even use my name

11-01-2005 20:37:21




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
Buy them a mule, they only have two gears. Slow and stopped. Just like anyone who has never driven a tractor it takes hours and hours on the seat to learn how to OPERATE one correctly. Might try paying more to get others to apply for the job.



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NC Wayne

11-01-2005 18:51:28




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
I know there are alot of manuals available concerning construction equipment so I just did a quick search for tractor safety manuals in general and this site came up. What came up was the actual list of manuals, etc available but without any "home" link, etc so it took a couple of minutes playing with the web address to find the home page. Hopefully from here you can find the right combination of clicks to get you to the manuals. Good luck.

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Roy Suomi

11-01-2005 17:43:57




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
Ya know what that little button on the top of your John Deere ball cap is for ???? A couple of swatts with your cap will get their attention.....



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thejdman01

11-01-2005 17:29:42




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
your labor may be cheap but you spend all you save on labor on your repair bill. the growing scene landscape company loacally i did all repair work for and they always had at least 1 pice of equipment in my shop. i cant complain kept me in business.



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thejdman01

11-01-2005 17:29:34




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
your labor may be cheap but you spend all you save on labor on your repair bill. the growing scene landscape company loacally i did all repair work for and they always had at least 1 pice of equipment in my shop. i cant complain kept me in business.



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Davis In SC

11-01-2005 16:58:19




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
Everyone, I know, that employs Spanish-speaking workers , has at least one crew leader that is Bi-lingual. Needs to be an honest, responsible, person, that can take charge of the crew. Of course, the ones that fit this description, are in demand,& usually earn a much higher wage, than the other workers...



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supercjt

11-01-2005 16:29:39




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
We had a book once called farm and ranch spanish. It helped a lot.



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ken b.ind

11-01-2005 16:16:31




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  

when do i go to work,started driving tractors 1943,driving truck 1955 retired now



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BobMo

11-01-2005 15:31:39




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
DZ, I don't really understand your problem. There are thousands of Hispanics operating tractors and other equipment from the Mississippi to the West Coast. If they are recent arrivals of course most of them won't have any experience but where is your honcho. If you didn't/couldn't hire one you better before your equipment is destroyed. I’d suggest you keep one over as full time help if this is going to be an annual challenge. If you think a tape or class will do it your wrong. Only OJT will achieve what you want. These guys will become some of the best operators you can get but it takes a lot of time same as it did for you or me.

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Coloken

11-01-2005 15:27:23




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
I'll with hold my first thoughts. Are there any military training manuals that would help? Even the Army truck drivers stuff would help.... Every thing that I taught in the service had a "lesson plan" so you could maybe go from there. Start a tractor driving school for them, and go nation wide. I used to laugh at "truck drivers schools, but I now think that they are a needed thing in our modern world.
Kennyp

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Coldiron

11-01-2005 15:24:54




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
You need to find a bilingual that can convey your messages across to your workers or you are going to have some big accidents and maybe lawsuits. There must be someone in your area that can help you find the right person to get the message across. It may cost you a little but will be worth it in the long run.



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Missouri Boy

11-01-2005 15:07:32




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
Been driving tractors since 1953 and I still am not very good! When I was a kid this was my greatest interest , even more than girls, also thought I was good at both but now I see that I never was much good with either.



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Richard H.

11-01-2005 14:57:46




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to DZ, 11-01-2005 14:24:17  
How about teaching them english?



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john in la

11-01-2005 19:49:46




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to Richard H., 11-01-2005 14:57:46  
How about paying enough money to attract people that already speak english.

You can not get equipment operators for the price of laborers no more than you can get a company CEO for the price of a carpenter.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

11-01-2005 16:04:58




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to Richard H., 11-01-2005 14:57:46  
Trust me, a tractor is bone simple compared to English.



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Mike M

11-01-2005 15:27:21




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to Richard H., 11-01-2005 14:57:46  
Now that wouldn't be allowed ! You will just have to learn their language that's all the rage these days. They are used to mules/donkeys ? Maybe get some of them as they can learn directions in English.



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steveormary

11-02-2005 10:34:58




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 Re: Problems teaching crew to drive tractor in reply to Mike M, 11-01-2005 15:27:21  
You do need a honcho who is bilingual and also knows tractors. One farmer here(southern NM)keeps his tractor drivers year round. You also should learn enuf of their language to give proper instructions

steveormary



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