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Levi Watson

01-15-2006 12:50:09




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I have seen and heard of the M's having live hydraulics and live pto, how is this done in the transmission? I have a '49 M that I would like to make live hydraulic and pto. The other question for anyone is I have heard of a 9 speed M & W kit that could be put into an M. Is this something that was on the market or not? And if it is how does it work? Is it an easy install?

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Levi Watson

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glennster

01-16-2006 17:11:27




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 Re: international M transmissions in reply to Levi Watson, 01-15-2006 12:50:09  
if you put the live pump on, change the drive gears for the crankshaft, cam and distributor. ih still has the super m and 400 gears available, they are a lot heavier than the old gears. i put a live pump on my 48 m, it lasted about a year and then shattered the gears.the top bolt pattern is a little different on the pump, so you need to plug the old holed with a sawed off bolt and redrill and tap.

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steveormary

01-15-2006 20:57:37




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 Re: international M transmissions in reply to Levi Watson, 01-15-2006 12:50:09  
Levi,

I had several tractors without live hydraulics or live pto. Grew up with them and didnt know any difference. Had a time of it getting used to live pto,hyd"s and power steering.

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john d

01-15-2006 14:24:02




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 Re: international M transmissions in reply to Levi Watson, 01-15-2006 12:50:09  
I also have a '49 M that I like very much. It doesn't have live pto, 9-speed tranny, live hydraulics, or power steering, but I wish it did!

M&W was the premier supplier of after-market upgrades for those old Farmalls. They offered kits and parts to do about anyting that could be done to them. They don't make the stuff anymore, so you're going to have to search tractor boneyards, ebay, or the auctions on this and similar sites to find such units.

Live hydraulics was accomplished by adding a hydrualic pump in front of the distributor. The "Lift-All" or belly pump hydraulic unit could be used as the reservoir. It worked pretty well. The pump was similar, but not the same as what IH used in the Super H-M series. Major drawback is the tendency for the timing gears to break under heavy load.

The "live" pto wasn't truly live. It mounted on the left pinion shaft where it comes out for the brake assembly. It was simply a clutch that disconnnected the left side of the differential and allowed the tractor's forward motion to stop while allowing the pto to keep turning. You can't shift gears while the unit is allowing the pto to turn, as the transmission gears are still turning. A more versatile system than the original pto drive, but the clutch requires close attention to adjustment, parts usually have to be made for it, and it should never be operated when the tractor is under heavy tillage load.

The 9-speed unit doubled the speeds of gears 1-4 and reverse. They made the M much more versatile by offering speeds greater than the stock 4th gear and yet slower than 5th gear. This unit also doubled the speed of the pto shaft AND the lift-all pump. Again, new parts aren't to be had.

Installing a live hydraulic pump is pretty straight-forward, and likely not going to open up many additional problems. Adding the "live" pto clutch can be a headache if you start replacing any and all seals that are likely leaking a bit by now. Even a bigger challenge if you need to replace a bearing. The 9-speed unit requires considerable transmission dis-assembly and gear replacement.

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