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I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it up.

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old

03-20-2006 10:25:15




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Ok here it is, I want to set up a way to heat up an eingine that is stuck so maybe the heat and the oil/tranny fluid/turpentine I put in the cylinders will brake it loose fast/better. I have a small 10 gallion water heater and want to figure out hot to hook it up in place of the radiator and then use a small eletric motor to turn the water pump. The problem is the plumbing and how to fill the engine/water heater with water. You guys have any ideas as to how to set it up. Thanks for your input.

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`Bernie in MA

03-20-2006 17:52:39




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 10:25:15  
I freed up my JD 420 with hot water. The head was off. I plumbed an old empty 20# propane tank into the bottom of the block using a length of radiator hose. I then filled the block and tank with water and heated the tank with a brush burner torch. You could use anything for a heat source (wood,charcoal, acetylene, etc). Have the tank lower than the motor block so the hot water will rise. Let it boil for a while, let it cool and do it a few more times. I drilled a piece of square tube so the holes lined up with the head- bolt holes in the block across the piston, put some scrap pieces of steel on the piston under the tube and tightened the bolts down. As that piston went down the other came up and I moved the tube/bolts to that one. Don't try to go all the way to the bottom with just one.After back and forth a little a few times the starter will spin it.

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CBL

03-20-2006 17:47:19




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 10:25:15  
Anybody ever watch "The Redgreen Show"?



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ncdiesel560

03-20-2006 16:01:36




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 10:25:15  
knock out a freeze plug put in an electric block heater fill block with coolant and plug in. simple enough



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jlmtractor

03-20-2006 15:31:55




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 10:25:15  
ok i am confused i dont understand explain it more jlmtractor



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old

03-20-2006 15:40:00




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to jlmtractor , 03-20-2006 15:31:55  
Well you know oils,tranny fluid, turpentine etc. Will free up a stuck engine right?? Well also heat will do so but you have to heat a block up in a way as not to crack the block so you have to do it slow and over the entire engine. So if I can hook up a water heater and set it at say 150 degrees or so it would maybe help brake the engine free. The idea is to hook it up fill it and the engine cooling system and then turn the heat on and let it do its thing for say 2 or 3 hours. Then in thoery the engine with the oil etc. in the cylinders should pop free.

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SWjr

03-20-2006 14:04:34




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 10:25:15  
I am not sure how you would hook it up where the radiator hoses go, but I bet that if you got creative with some pvc and old sections of radiator hose you might be able to get it so that you could put fittings on there.

As far as filling it full of water, I would set it up so that the water heater was pretty close to the same height as the engine.

Next, put a tee in the line going into the top of the water heater so that you could stick a funnel there to fill it.

As far as turning the water pump, I am sure that you could fasten something to a drill that would be able to turn the pump.

I remember we used to have an old cub cadet garden tractor that had a starter/generator. You might be able to mount one of these to have it turn it.

I may be way off base here, but maybe it'll spark an idea.

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Sloroll

03-20-2006 11:28:19




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 10:25:15  
Well as much as I hate to admit it... I tried an idea I saw on here. I had an engine that had one piston that was REALLY stuck and I was a little impatient with it. I mixed terpentine and tranny fluid 50/50 and poured about 1/4" deep in the cylinder. I threw a cap ful of gasoline in over the top of it and tossed a match in. The fire heated up the block nice and toasty, the mixture kept the piston cool. I never had anything work so slick. Best to be done on a nice day, outside with a fire extinguisher... just in case.

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old

03-20-2006 11:46:33




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to Sloroll, 03-20-2006 11:28:19  
I've done that before but I'm hoping to get it loosen up with out pulling the head off. I know if I do pull the head off I will probably end up putting a little gas on top of the trannyfluid/turpentine mix I have in it right now, and then lighting it up. It works well and I did it years ago on a MM-R I had



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Sloroll

03-20-2006 11:49:34




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 11:46:33  
I too have heard that closing the valves and modifying a spark plug to take a zerk, then pump the cylinder full of grease under pressure can work too...



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ebbsspeed

03-20-2006 13:09:02




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to Sloroll, 03-20-2006 11:49:34  
The grease gun option is OK as long as the crankshaft is removed from the engine first, or you are certain there are no other pistons stuck. If it isn't and the piston is at top dead center you have a good chance of damaging something. Some grease guns can develop enough pressure to bend connecting rods, crack heads, twist cranks, etc, so you wanna be careful with the grease gun trick.



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old

03-20-2006 11:59:27




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to Sloroll, 03-20-2006 11:49:34  
I've heard that also. I have been thinking if you can do that with a grease gun why not, since the cylinders are full of the turpentine/tranny fluid mix. Just make an adaptor to hook up and air hose to the cylinders and preassureize the cylinders. I wonder if that would work??



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TDK

03-20-2006 12:33:41




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 11:59:27  
I've used the air method you mentioned. I put diesel/ATF in the cylinder, backed the rocker arms off to close valves and removed the oil pan. Hooked air hose to a fitting in the spark plug hole and waited for the mixture to start dripping out the bottom of engine. Good news is it worked on two cylinders, but not a third one. Onlt thing that would break it loose was probably TNT.



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BILL IN SOUTH WALES

03-20-2006 12:32:04




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 11:59:27  
AIR FROM AN AIR COMPRESSOR WONT DO IT,PRESSURE IS NOT HIGH ENOUGH.A GREASE GUN CAN PRODUCE THOUSANDS OF PSI.AIR COMPRESSOR A COUPLE HUNDRED AT THE MOST.



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Nebraska Cowman

03-20-2006 11:23:22




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 10:25:15  
I had an F30 once that was stuck tight. I but diesel in the cylinder and set it on fire. Drove the piston out with a piece of heavy pipe and an 8 pound sledge. Yeah, I saved the piston.



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Mark

03-20-2006 18:38:52




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-20-2006 11:23:22  
I might as well tell my tale....even though I am what one feller called a 'newbie' (which I take to imply a freeloader or somebody who hasn't earned their speaking privledges yet)...anyway, 10-12 years ago, I had a stuck piston in JD 430. I tried everything I knew..didn't know about the light the gasoline trick..and the damned thing refused to budge. My pal gets the sledge hammer and a 6x6 block of wood and gets ready to swing. I screeched..DON'T DO IT! He says, one way or another it's GOT to come out...if you bust the piston..get another one, but this stuck one ain't doing you a bit of good. Hmmm, he was right. About 10 Paul Bunyon licks later, it came loose. I honed the cylinder enough to clean it up, squirted oil in both the cylinders and let the starter whirl everything for a minute or so and then bolted it all back together. Still running today! If all else fails, use a bigger hammer.

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IaGary

03-20-2006 20:11:22




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to Mark , 03-20-2006 18:38:52  
A newbie is nothing more than someone new to this forum and thats it.
Every one is welcome and nobody is making fun of anyone.
Welcome aboard!



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Coloken

03-20-2006 11:17:14




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 10:25:15  
A heat lamp on the side of the block??? When I used to re-sleave (in the winter in a cold shop) I would let a heat lamp shine into the empty hole, then insert the new sleeves. Warning: heat lamps are dangerous to start fires. Oily stuff can be OK for hours and then start to burn.



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John (C-IL)

03-20-2006 10:57:16




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 10:25:15  
Hey old, just "tee" the inlet and outlet of the water heater. Put a garden hose on the inlet side and an outlet hose on the other side where you can drain the air out of the system and have at it. I agree that a circulating block heater amy be an easier way to go and maybe not as expensive.



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old

03-20-2006 11:31:07




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to John (C-IL), 03-20-2006 10:57:16  
I would use a garden hose but I don't have water close engough to the shop to do so. I was thinking about setting it up this way so maybe I wouldn't have to pull the head to brake it loose, ya I know even if it comes loose I might need to work on the rings etc.



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RustyFarmall

03-20-2006 10:44:17




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 10:25:15  
Why not just use one of those tank type electric engine heaters?



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old

03-20-2006 11:02:05




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-20-2006 10:44:17  
I would think about doing that but I have the water heater and other things but I don't have what your talking about and cost for one is $40 plus.



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RustyFarmall

03-20-2006 11:14:55




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 11:02:05  
Maybe you have an old car or truck sitting there that has one on it?



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old

03-20-2006 11:27:26




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-20-2006 11:14:55  
I wish I did but all the junkers I have don't have something like that on them.



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ebbsspeed

03-20-2006 12:15:14




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 11:27:26  
Park your car next to the tractor and run the heater hoses from your car engine through the tractor engine. Then you don't need to mess around with the water heater..... ..



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old

03-20-2006 12:32:34




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to ebbsspeed, 03-20-2006 12:15:14  
Ya that would work but I want to set something up I can use on any tractors that I might get in with the stuck engine problem so if I do set this up I can then use it all the time.



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jc

03-20-2006 10:33:31




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 Re: I have a wild idea just not sure how to set it in reply to old, 03-20-2006 10:25:15  
You are not only old. You are senile too.(:>)



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