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Large 4 wheel farm wagons

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Jonfarmer

03-25-2006 10:24:25




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I went down to the local machinery yard, and I saw a giant farm wagon, it had tandem axles on both ends, and said it was a 20 ton capacity with a 30' flat bed on it, it was supposed to be a round bale trailer, but could be used for most anything with that huge flatbed. I got to thinking, what kind of a tractor would you use to pull such a monster, it was a 4 wheel wagon type, (with 8 wheels on it) so no weight gets transfered onto the pull vehicle and it had no brakes, so I must admit I am truely scared at the thought of someone putting 20 tons on it and trying to pull it with anything short of a big articulator or track tractor. I'm sure you could get it rolling with most any row crop, but it's stopping it that has me worried. How much weight would be needed to be able to safely control it?, factoring in hills.

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edchainsaw

03-25-2006 19:56:49




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 Re: Large 4 wheel farm wagons in reply to Jonfarmer, 03-25-2006 10:24:25  
I was thnking that there was a regulation that anything over 13ton had to have its own brakes...

I was told by a Brent engineer thats why they had not made one smaller because they were already building the big wagons with brakes so why build anything else..



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RodInNS

03-25-2006 15:12:53




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 Re: Large 4 wheel farm wagons in reply to Jonfarmer, 03-25-2006 10:24:25  
I've run a train with a 12 ton tandem and a 10 ton running gear hauling silage bales. Probably close to 20 ton. I pull them with a Ford 7710, turned to 100+ hp, and ballasted to about 12600#, with FWA. That has no trouble on the road. I wouldn't run on a steep hill in a field. Roads are no problem though. You just use common sense and gears. I've also hauled that train with a Ford 3930 FWA. 45HP, ballasted to about 8000# with a loader. Hauled probably close to 14000#. That's what I've done. I don't recomend it to anyone else, and I certainly wouldn't allow any hired help to do it with my gear, but I'm quite comftorable hauling those combinations myself, withing limits. However, both those units were loaded to the max that the tractors could hold in poor footing. That's about the only time I ever got a bit worried on a tractor. You need to bear in mind that 20 ton is the maximum allowable weight on those running gears. They generally go with a good deal less. The tires seldom stand up to the maximum loading. As a general rule though, I would think that a 150 Hp tractor would be safe with that wagon fully loaded. You can't give a be all, end all rating for every situation where nothing bad would happen. I would think there are peolpe out there who could take a 400 HP articulated job and have a bad accident with that load. It depends on the operators ability, and a good deal of common sense. For what it's worth....

Rod

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J,Schwiebert

03-25-2006 15:07:48




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 Re: Large 4 wheel farm wagons in reply to Jonfarmer, 03-25-2006 10:24:25  
The other fall we worked with another neighbor and they have a gravity wagon and i HAD 770 bu. Oof shelled corn on it. However it does have brakes. Pulled with a 4020 with no extra weight on the tractor. J



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the tractor vet

03-25-2006 11:36:17




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 Re: Large 4 wheel farm wagons in reply to Jonfarmer, 03-25-2006 10:24:25  
Well don't know on that but i do know that a 18 foot silage wagon filled is more then ya want at times behind a 806 weighen in at 12000 at times .



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burnetma

03-25-2006 11:54:23




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 Re: Large 4 wheel farm wagons in reply to the tractor vet, 03-25-2006 11:36:17  
Rule of thumb is the towed weight should not exceed 1.5 times the weight of the tow vehicle. Thus a 20 Ton capacity trailer should be hauled by a tractor with a balasted weight of 13.3 tons or 26,666 lbs. A John Deere 8000 series or IH 4568, 4586, 7488, etc... will handle the task nicely.



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Jonfarmer

03-25-2006 11:45:59




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 Re: Large 4 wheel farm wagons in reply to the tractor vet, 03-25-2006 11:36:17  
I'm thinking it's almost irresponsible for a equipment manufacturer to make such a thing and not put brakes on it as standard equipment.



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