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Allan in NE

02-10-2006 07:40:23




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Mornin' All,

This one woke me up out of a dead sleep last night 'cause I thought I would have to "redo".

I tend to run my chores over and over in my mind so that when I do something, I don't make a mistake. Today, I'm aligning and locking all the bearings I've replaced in this old baler so that they all run straight and true.

When I replaced this bearing on the stripper roll, I found it odd that it was "caged" inside the bale chamber. This means that in order to replace this bearing, the whole darned roller has to be removed and pulled out the other side of the baler so as to gain access to this bearing.

Thought maybe since the old sister is 30 years old that someone, somewhere had replaced this bearing and had done it "wrong".

Checked and rechecked. Book shows it inside the machine also. Why in the heck would an engineer place a bearing "inside" like this? They must of had a reason, but darned if I can see what it was. :>(

Allan

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John (C-IL)

02-10-2006 17:15:48




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 07:40:23  
With the bearing cage on the inside the lateral load on the bearing is transfered to the frame of the baler. If the cage were on the outside all of the lateral load would be transfered to the 3 bolts and the metal of the cage and frame around those bolts. I have seen too many of those cages that were busted up from the lateral loads, especially augers on a combine like the Gleaner unloading auger in particular.

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boo

02-10-2006 10:55:37




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 07:40:23  
What kind of baler is it ??? Sorta looks like an "old" New Holland.



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WyoDave

02-10-2006 10:39:17




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 07:40:23  
I've learned never to question things like that. Just smile and be glad you're working on something fun and not paperwork or something of that nature. The big question is what are you doing working outside on a day like today? Its flat cold here with the wind blowing.
David



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R. John Johnson

02-10-2006 08:15:59




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 07:40:23  
Allan

Just read your other response. There has to be a reason for that keyway. Is it possible it was used to power some option? Was Auto wrap available on that baler?

John



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Allan in NE

02-10-2006 08:26:09




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to R. John Johnson, 02-10-2006 08:15:59  
Perhaps,

They came with options of double tie, auto wrap, heavy windage tray, auto lube, bale kicker and the darned bale reverser.

I can't find any info on the reverser, but story goes that it reverses the chain direction to help remove the bale. The chain drive pully is right above this shaft so maybe that is the guy in question. Don't know.

No biggie, I just like to know "why things are". :>)

Allan

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Tim Shaw

02-10-2006 17:14:48




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 08:26:09  
On the old 855s when you raised the tailgate the drive belt loosened and the reverse belt tightened. When the gate was up the chains spit the bale off of the spring loaded bale kicker thingy on the back. I would imagine that the shaft has something to do with a baler that was equiped with Auto-Wrap. Is it on the right side?



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Allan in NE

02-10-2006 17:45:15




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Tim Shaw, 02-10-2006 17:14:48  
Hi Tim,

No, this is on the left side of the machine. When it is all put together and sucked into position, there is about 4 or 5 inches of that shaft just stickin' out and runnin' wild in the wind.

Think that auto wrap business was over on the right side wasn't it?

Dunno what the heck,

Allan



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Tim Shaw

02-11-2006 05:39:45




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 17:45:15  
Yes, Auto-wrap stuff is on the right side. Beats me!



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Glen in TX

02-10-2006 08:08:50




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 07:40:23  
The fun never ends huh? Geeze you're making me glad I don't have a baler anymore. Makes you wonder what they were thinking huh?



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R. John Johnson

02-10-2006 08:04:33




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 07:40:23  
Allan

Looks to me like a sprocket goes on the end of that shaft. If the bearing was on the outside the sprocket would have to move further out. Maybe there was no room somewhere else to move the drive chain further out from the side walls?

There must be a reason for the bearings placement. It just might not be a good reeason. I designed equipment for a lot of years before coming back to the farm. A lot of time design is a series of compromises. During testing a problem may show up and redesign is needed. During redesign you may find fixing one problem causes another with strength or interferences or assembly. You try your best to to balance the problems, but as I said some times it is a compromise. Put her back together, and don't worry. Someone, somewhere knows why it is, what it is, but most likely it will be one of those little unsolved mysteries in life.

John

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amazed

02-10-2006 08:01:13




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 07:40:23  
If the bearing is put on the outside there will not be room for the sprocket or pulley..why the company ever put the bearing on the inside ?????



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Allan in NE

02-10-2006 08:09:43




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to amazed, 02-10-2006 08:01:13  
There is no sprocket or pulley on this end. Shaft end just hangs out there in the wind.

Allan



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RustyFarmall

02-10-2006 07:57:08




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 07:40:23  
That is not the first time I have seen something like that. Doesn't look like you could just install it the other way 'round either. Unless the whole shaft could be slid this way a bit?



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Allan in NE

02-10-2006 08:07:33




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-10-2006 07:57:08  
Got me,

There's plenty of shaft and it "could be" placed outside. However, the roller has to be "dead centered" in the chamber so that it's ends are placed under their respective sheet metal canopies so they don't "wrap".

I just think that maybe if the bearing is on the outside, the silly thing must start "growing hay" out around the bearing 'er some darned thing.

Who knows. :>)

Allan



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bubba2

02-10-2006 07:53:58




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 07:40:23  
So you move it to the outside.What does that do to the alignent of the drive?How does that affect the torque on the shaft? Did the cost analysis engineer come along and say if the bearing was put inside, we can save so much steel shafting? Maybe its so when the bearing goes bad it will set the hay on fire and burn the balwr up?Then they can sell another baler? Engineers are a funny lot.



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Bill WI

02-10-2006 08:28:45




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to bubba2, 02-10-2006 07:53:58  
I like bubba2's thinking. There are a lot of good ones, but some have attitudes. Back when I was in the shop an engineer designed a new "improved" part where the bolts had to be wired to keep from falling out if they loosened and the whole ball of wax. This old fellow improved everything, but the piece we were working on was in our work area at the other end of the building. I looked it over and told him it was missing cutouts on each side ( I didn't recall right away what they were for, but it was obvious done for a reason) He in no uncertain terms told me HE was the engineer. That's all it took, I followed his directions to a T. By the way we wouldn't know how to install it either so the next day it was installed under his direction. When the trial button was pushed BOOM, machine pillars that weren't on our end of the building were the reason for the cutouts. Took about 10 years before we were friends. lol

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Allan in NE

02-10-2006 07:59:33




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to bubba2, 02-10-2006 07:53:58  
Dunno,

I'm so used to working on those old Gleaner combines with all the bearing retainers on the outside of the machine.

Maybe it has something to do with the hay wrapping round the roller endplate 'er something.

They had to have had a reason, it would seem.

Allan



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joe e-tx

02-10-2006 18:51:44




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 Re: Just Don't Get It in reply to Allan in NE, 02-10-2006 07:59:33  
my vermeers have shalf that fit in diffrent places ?. think that might be a multfit shalft? just a thought
joe



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