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Petrol? TVO?

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in-too-deep

02-28-2006 14:21:05




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Being the Yankee that I am, I'm baffled when discussion of tractor fuels in the UK comes up. Could someone enlighten me? Thanks.




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Mike Fenner

02-28-2006 17:27:45




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 Re: Petrol? TVO? in reply to in-too-deep, 02-28-2006 14:21:05  
I agree, Stick with the fractions. But, alas, the deed is done, I believe the year was 1998 MAR, the United States officially made the change to the metric system. Funny though, only one state recognizes this change on their Interstate highway system. Another funny thing about metric measure, IT'S WRONG. You see when the system was divised it was supposed to be based on the circumference of the earth as measured at the Prime Meridian, i.e. 1 metre= 1/1,000,000th of the circumference of the earth, but the measurement was actually not accurate. The system was already set and in use when the tools necessary for an accurate measurement came to be, so why fix what is already broken, ehh. Of course you would need a microscope to measure the inaccuracy on the scale of a metre, but none the less it exists. So, that said, what makes you think us Yanks want anything to do with a game named after some annoying insect?
Mike

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MLP

03-01-2006 06:36:11




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 Re: Petrol? TVO? in reply to Mike Fenner, 02-28-2006 17:27:45  
The definition of the meter was revised in 1983 it is now as follows.
The meter is the length of the path traveled by light in a vacuum during a time interval of 1/299 792 458 of a second.
Note that the effect of this definition is to fix the speed of light in a vacuum at exactly 299 792 458 m·s.



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RAB

02-28-2006 23:36:16




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 Re: Petrol? TVO? in reply to Mike Fenner, 02-28-2006 17:27:45  
I agree. If you want to, go ahead. Be different to the rest of the world.
Our kids can no longer learn their X tables and have to use a calculator for the simplest sums. Progress? No. Using fractions at least keeps the brain in gear!!
On a similar note: Fahrenheit scale of temperature was also a rubbish scale from word go. It was devised on the previous French(?)Reamur increment, but instead of zero being a fixed-forever point it was set at the lowest temperature they could achieve in the laboratory at that time (ice/salt freezing mixture). Pure water melted at 32 on that scale so you are stuck with a system of 180 degrees betweem ice and steam, instead of a nice round 100 for the metric system. The SI system is, of course related to absolute zero (no atomic/molecular kinetic energy, so ice melts at 273 K but at least the increments are the same as Centigrade (Celsius)
We have to remember the world was once flat (some still think it is), the Earth was at the centre of the Universe and the Sun moved around us (so the sun "rises" and "sets". What rubbish!!
We still say the sun has gone behind that cloud.
Little wonder our kids don"t understand science.!!
Regards, RAB

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Mike Fenner

02-28-2006 17:24:31




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 Re: Petrol? TVO? in reply to in-too-deep, 02-28-2006 14:21:05  
I agree, Stick with the fractions. But, alas, the deed is done, I believe the year was 1998 MAR, the United States officially made the change to the metric system. Funny though, only one state recognizes this change on their Interstate highway system. Another funny thing about metric measure, IT'S WRONG. You see when the system was divised it was supposed to be based on the circumference of the earth as measured at the Prime Meridian, i.e. 1 metre= 1/1,000,000th of the circumference of the earth, but the measurement was actually not accurate. The system was already set and in use when the tools necessary for an accurate measurement came to be, so why fix what is already broken, ehh. Of course you would need a microscope to measure the inaccuracy on the scale of a metre, but none the less it exists. So, that said, what makes you think us Yanks want anything to do with a game named after some annoying insect?
Mike

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in-too-deep

02-28-2006 16:48:17




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 Re: Petrol? TVO? in reply to in-too-deep, 02-28-2006 14:21:05  
Thanks so much for clarifying! Now, about your metric system, sure it MAY be a LITTLE more simplified, but I still hated learning it in grade school, and middle school, and high school. Always wondered why I had to learn metric when I already liked my fractions just fine. In high school I was in a vocational class where we built a house and the first thing they told us was, "We don't build metric houses." Couldn't agree more.

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RAB

02-28-2006 14:53:31




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 Re: Petrol? TVO? in reply to in-too-deep, 02-28-2006 14:21:05  
Difficult, I am told , to enlighten a Yankee!!!! but I will try....
Our petrol is your gas.
Our gas is your LPG (same over here as well actually).
Our TVO is Tractor Vapourising Oil. Not quite the same as your Distillate, but near enough. I use kerosene (straight) in my Ollie 90 if it is working or with some petrol and maybe a dash of gas oil (diesel) if it is lazing around.
Our diesel is diesel, commonly referred to as gas oil in central heating terms.
Not as cold here as over your side (in some places) so we only have the one kerosene grade.
Clear? If not just ask some more and we can make it even more complicated. Like the rules of cricket - no, we won"t go there!!
BTW our Imperial gallon is superior to yours by best part a quarter but we now operate in the sensible metric units (litres over here, liters over your side?) - like the French and Canadians and the rest of the world - excepting the US who, it seems, have never been the same as anywhere else in the world!
Regards, RAB
Regards, RAB

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RAB

03-01-2006 08:26:09




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 Re: Petrol? TVO? in reply to RAB, 02-28-2006 14:53:31  
pretty close, but too damned expensive to burn in a tractor over here. We just use it for Tilley (hurricane) lamps.
28 second Redwood kero is about as high as we can go with a petrol/paraffin tractor (as they were known). TVO was just a slightly better product, supposedly, for the same job. I can not remember the fuel being ordered as anything other than TVO,so prolly modified from "paraffin" late 40s early 50s.
Regards, RAB

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buickanddeere

03-01-2006 05:33:33




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 Re: Petrol? TVO? in reply to RAB, 02-28-2006 14:53:31  
How about what the Brits refer to as paraffin? Isn't pretty close to Jet A-1 or kerosene?



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