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OT 1989 Suburban Stalling At Idle When In Drive

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Dave in GA

04-20-2006 04:06:53




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Maybe someone can figure this out. I recently bought a 1989 GMC Suburban 2500 with the 350 engine and 400 tranny. It runs and shifts great but it has an idle problem. Because of this problem, I got a good deal on it. When the engine is started, it runs fine. But when the transmission is shifted into drive or reverse, engaging the transmission, the engine will immediately bog down and stall. Once shifted into park, the engine will start right up again. This happens whether the engine is cold or hot. I can drive it with one foot on the gas and one foot on the brake, and I have to keep the engine revved faster than normal when I come to a stop. This keeps it from stalling.

I took it to the reputable garage that I use, and they said it"s a torque converter or transmission peoblem with something locking up when it"s put into drive. So I took it to a reputable tranny shop who tested it and said the tranny is fine and there"s nothing wrong with it, and that the engine is the problem. They said that the converter in the 400 transmission would not have a lockup problem (?).

So I took the vehicle to another reputable repair shop where it is today. This shop specializes in full diagnostics. They have been over every component under the hood, including the sensors, and have tested everything and have only found a slight vacuum leak which they fixed. But the stalling continues when shifted into park or reverse. They are at their wits end.

The engine idles smoothly in park. When put into drive or reverse, it almost feels like there"s too great of a load put on the idling engine, causing the stalling. At this point, nobody really knows what"s causing this stalling, and I"m back to square one. All the mechanics so far said that it could be tranny, computer, or even something else. I just want to get this problem fixed before it costs me an arm and a leg. Do any of you mechanics have any insight about this problem?

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Jeff IA

04-25-2006 18:08:52




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 Re: OT 1989 Suburban Stalling At Idle When In Driv in reply to Dave in GA, 04-20-2006 04:06:53  
Try the fuel filter first. It is along a frame rail somewhere. It's the easiest and cheapest. The fuel pressure is on the low side of the acceptable range. It will give you all kinds of codes like you're seeing. You can go broke chasing codes and replacing sensors and components.

If that doesn't fix it, replace the fuel pump. It's in the fuel tank. There was a trick to removing the sensor wire, like a quarter turn or something. I almost broke it off the first time I replaced one.

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Dave in GA

04-20-2006 09:08:16




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 Re: OT 1989 Suburban Stalling At Idle When In Driv in reply to Dave in GA, 04-20-2006 04:06:53  
One more detail. I don't know if it matters or not, but the vehicle is emissions exempt, at least in GA. It does not have a catalytic converter. Instead it has a free-flowing dual exhaust.



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jake1

04-20-2006 08:38:01




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 Re: OT 1989 Suburban Stalling At Idle When In Driv in reply to Dave in GA, 04-20-2006 04:06:53  
It has all the signs of a defective EGR valve, when starting the engine or at idle it causes a mass vacum leak. My wife took her auto to the dealer put it on tester and found nothing drove the car and stalled in the dealers driveway. Took it back and demanded a EGR be installed. That was 4yrs ago and still no problem. A quick test for a defect make a solid gasket put it between the valve and manifold. Do a search on google for EGR valve and see the problems that it can cause.

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Bob

04-20-2006 08:46:45




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 Re: OT 1989 Suburban Stalling At Idle When In Driv in reply to jake1, 04-20-2006 08:38:01  
Defective EGR valve will set a trouble code.

Sticky IAC will not respond quick enough, (or at all) to computer's command upon increased load from putting tranny in gear, and engine will stall, WITHOUT setting a trouble code.



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jdemaris

04-20-2006 06:25:55




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 Re: OT 1989 Suburban Stalling At Idle When In Driv in reply to Dave in GA, 04-20-2006 04:06:53  
I've got three Suburbans and two K5 Blazers with the T400 transmissions. My Suburbans are 87,89, and 91. GM didn't go to new body syle in that line until 92. Mine are all diesel, but the T-400s are the same as gas except the diesels use either mechanical governors or VRV for shift control- and some of the gasses went to electric controls after 87. I've had a similar problem to what you described once, and it was an internal problem in the trans. T-400s never came with lock-up converters. I'm going to search though my records - as I can't recall exactly what part had failed or warped. In regard to all the testing you had done ?? I don't know of any accurate tests that will indicate for sure, a failed part inside a torque-converter e.g. a warped clutch disk or failed sprague clutch in a transmission. But, it seems - if things seem okay when the trans. is in park or neutral - then the clutches in the trans. don't seem to be dragging. No matter what is going on inside the trans., the torque-converter is not supposed to give much resistance at lower RPMs - and as you indicate - it is. So, at the least - if it's dragging, it needs replacement. It's a sealed, welded together unit - you replace it with a new or exchange/rebuilt unit.

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bradk

04-20-2006 05:42:48




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 Re: OT 1989 Suburban Stalling At Idle When In Driv in reply to Dave in GA, 04-20-2006 04:06:53  
Been down this exact road.When I was working at the dealer,had an 88 or 89 Suburban which was doing same thing.After trying everything possible,put a pick-up coil on and problem gone.
Had a couple in my shop since,and same fix.~brad



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Allan In NE

04-20-2006 05:12:27




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 Re: OT 1989 Suburban Stalling At Idle When In Driv in reply to Dave in GA, 04-20-2006 04:06:53  
Dave,

The Subs and One-tons were the very last models that GM changed over to the "new stuff".

First off, which body style does it have? Is it the older “square- body” type? Does it have the serpentine belt?

Does that engine have a carburetor or a throttle body fuel system? Could possibly be either way in ‘89.

Also, look at the pan on the transmission. Is it indeed a kidney-shaped, three-speed 400? ‘Cause, those were somewhat rare.

Need to know for absolute sure what you have,

Allan

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Dave in GA

04-20-2006 05:41:59




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 Re: OT 1989 Suburban Stalling At Idle When In Driv in reply to Allan In NE, 04-20-2006 05:12:27  
It is the older square body style. The engine has the serpentine belt and the throttle body, and the tranny is the kidney-pan 3-speed automatic.



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steve from mo - dangit!

04-20-2006 11:25:39




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 Same problem with my car. in reply to Dave in GA, 04-20-2006 05:41:59  
My 1995 Mercedes C-220 had the EXACT SAME propblem you describe. I thought my transmission or torque converter was failing. It was a dirty injection system. You might pull the TBI unit out and clean it with whatever is recommended.



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Allan In NE

04-20-2006 06:11:36




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 Re: OT 1989 Suburban Stalling At Idle When In Driv in reply to Dave in GA, 04-20-2006 05:41:59  
Okay, just some ideas:

They should look at the EGR valve and/or solenoid, and like Brad says, the pickup coil and/or dist bushings.

Make darned sure that the engine/drivetrain is grounding electrically. Check those little star washers. If the torque of gear engagement is causing the engine to lose it’s ground, it will not run right.

And also, I would definitely run the numbers on the ECM. I had one that nobody in four states could figure out; come to find out, somebody had swapped out the ECM for a California/Federal equipped unit and that thing would die every time ya dropped it in gear.

Is the truck real doggy on acceleration? Does it act like it is totally overloaded at launch? The problem could still be down in that torque converter stator even tho it is not a lock-up type (but I doubt it).

Hope ya get ‘er figured out. It’s just a hunk of iron and something is causing the problem. :>)

Allan

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Bob

04-20-2006 06:18:00




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 Re: OT 1989 Suburban Stalling At Idle When In Driv in reply to Allan In NE, 04-20-2006 06:11:36  
How about the IAC motor, or a blocked (with crud) ait passage from the IAC?



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