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DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc

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NC Wayne

06-07-2006 22:05:51




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I see posts all the time concerning what someone needs to do to be legal hauling something, getting a license, etc. For those in NC, here is a link I just found to the NC General Assembly site which lists all this stuff in black and white. Most of it is in chapter 20 so you ought to be able to find out anything you need to know to be legal doing whatever your wanting to do without alot of searching.----After you find what your looking for though take a little time and do a little looking around too. There are some really off the wall statutes on the books. Check out Chapter 20-141.2. If I understand this right it states, in superbly constructed and strung out legaleeze that, basically, if you do anything to modify a vehicle to make it go faster than it could from the factory then your already guilty of speeding, just because the vehicle is modified and able to go faster..... .So, all of you out there in NC hotrodding your tractors watch out..LOL----- - Seriously, check your own states website and you may get lucky and find they have all this info listed there just like NC does. Good luck.

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Thresherman

06-08-2006 18:41:04




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to NC Wayne, 06-07-2006 22:05:51  
I got my truck liecenced this spring(88 chev 1 tom dually) and my trailer(26' gooseneck).I got farm plate on both. Was told no need for CDL or DOT#. I was told a commercial truck recieved pay for hauling. Not you haul something to make money with. You can haul a tractor and do custom work for money with no problem, but you can not hire out to haul some ones tractor.

Just an example of a revenue train that is being exploited by the athorities

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Ohio Mike

06-08-2006 17:49:39




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to NC Wayne, 06-07-2006 22:05:51  
I try to be legal when I'm on the road with my truck and trailer so I try to stay up on laws ect. But here is what I beleave is most of the problem. Talk to 10 people and you will get different views of what the laws ect. say is legal and I can understand because it can be very hard sometimes to be clear on how the laws read. Now talk to ten different law officers and you'll get the same results and that's bad news cause they are the ones who can ticket you ect. and win or loose it still costs you time and money. Don't take my word for it try it yourselves you'll be amazed. I talked with a deputy sheriff last week who works a set of scales. I ask him how heavy could I be on a 14,000 GVW gooseneck being pulled by a 10,000 GVW pickup before I would be over legal limit and he said I could have 35,000 on the trailer. No I didn't put too many 0's he said 35,000. I ask what sticker should I have and he said didn't need one if I was not getting paid. I said what about my CDL and he said didn't need it because of the GVW rating. Now here is a man who writes tickes everyday and doesn't have a clue if you get my drift. LOL That's why I beleave the problem for the most part is people and officers just don't truely know and when there is a problem this all makes it worse. My two cents

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350 HU Don

06-09-2006 04:12:18




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Ohio Mike, 06-08-2006 17:49:39  
If I'm understanding you correctly, the deputy you talked to is right. The GVW ratings on your truck and trailer have nothing to do with the legal load limits. GVW ratings are from the manufacturer and define what the manufacturer thinks are load limits based on the components in the vehicle. The legal limits are statutory. That's what the law defines as load limits. If you have a tandem axle gooseneck or bumper hitch trailer, haul commercially, you have the same statutory weight limits as a semi trailer, presuming you are licensed for that weight, even though you'd never want to load that heavy

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NC Wayne

06-08-2006 15:36:10




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to NC Wayne, 06-07-2006 22:05:51  
Man I didn't know this was gonna stir up such a hornets nest....especially when I forgot to include the link...sorry about that..... Remember, the link is for info valid in NC only, because each state is allowed to make their own rules on top of the Federal ones. Still if you read enough you'll see that if you hold a valid CDL in one state, even if their rules for obtaining it, etc are different than it's still valid in NC. The big differences come in the allowed weights, etc. That's what usually screws people up and gets them a ticket, and it's how many states make alot of money. Just remember to check the site, if there is one, for your own state.

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Luke S

06-08-2006 06:55:17




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to NC Wayne, 06-07-2006 22:05:51  
What most people don't realize is, that these laws and CDL regulations do not apply to anyone but commercial carriers. Not to farmers, and certainly not to troctor collectors or tractor pullers going to show or pulls.



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doodelbug

06-08-2006 08:24:58




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Luke S, 06-08-2006 06:55:17  
Mr.Luke S here's some more of what you dont know. if your going to a tractor pull your going to win something , maybe just a ribbon but that is compensation and now your a commerical hauler. instead of giving out bad info why dont you go to the dot website and get the correct info? i just dont like people are too lazy to spend some time looking something up then blow off at the mouth and have no idea what there talking about.

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john in la

06-08-2006 08:18:16




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Luke S, 06-08-2006 06:55:17  
Here is the exemption for farmers.
FMCSA 391.2

Now I would like you to show me the exemption for "troctor collectors or tractor pullers going to show or pulls"

You are exempt from DOT rules for insurance; dot #; ect BUT CDL laws have their own definitions.

There is also a exemption for drivers of vehicles with valid RV license plates but I assume your truck does not have one. Now if you pull your tractor behind a Motor Home then yes you are exempt.

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the tractor vet

06-08-2006 07:47:01




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Luke S, 06-08-2006 06:55:17  
Oh you don't think so well SON just bring your one ton with your tanden dual trailer and your ANTIQUE tractor and let a BUCKEYE DOT BEAR stop ya if the truck is 10000 gvw and the trailer is 18000 gvw and you have a standard drivers licsence then guess what by the time he is done with ya you will be hopen that he will run out of ink . This was all explained to me way back when all this B/S went into affect as i was going to drop my chauffers lic. and not get the new and improved CDL as i real did not want to have my one friend always asken me to drive his big truck . Well i had a F350 Ford dual wheel 4X4 and a Blair 24+4 18000 GVW tandem dual gooseneck that i hauled tractors and equipment with the truck had a gvw of 11000 makes for a 29000 gcvw i had on one 706 and was heading for the barn the night before all this went into affect and a buckeye Bear chased me down and stopped me and INFORMED ME THAT COME MIDNIGHT THAT I COULD NO LONGER DRIVE MY TRUCK AND TRAILER HAULEN MY TRACTOR WITH OUT A CDL , so i had to run around and take the test and transfer my Chf. to a CDL . well a bunch of the good old boy that had one tons and tandem dual trailer laughed at me for doing so as they sa8id that they did not need them as they only hauled there tractors to the pulls well one by one they got nailed trucks trailers impounder towed fine BIG time for noCDL NO MED CARD NO THIS NO THAT and truck and trailer and load sat in and Impound lot till either they got there CDL and showed proof or had some with a valid CDL and MED card drove it out of the impound lot and ALL the way home . Now if ya have a 3/4 ton and just a tandem trailer your usualy ok unless you go over the GCVW then they have gone to weighen ya and now i hear that they are now going by what the towen limits of the tow viehcel is rated for from the factory . HEY the states are running out of money and what better way then to play Robin Hood .Now you can go and get a largecar and put the biggest sleeper on the back install a shower and tolet and a stover and water tank and beds and call it a RV with RV plates and pull what ever trailer that you want and haul whatever ya want and you don't need nothing .

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Luke S

06-08-2006 10:27:28




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to the tractor vet, 06-08-2006 07:47:01  
Ok, ok, sorry I fired you guys up. I happen to know a thing or two about this since we run Dodge 1-ton dually pick-ups with a GVW of 12,200lbs, and take-3 48' stepdeck goseneck trailers with a GVW of 20,000lbs, for business use. So I am a little familiar. Maybe I am lucky, but I have never been so much as sneezed at and I have run all over the midwest. Most people worry too much. The argument that you get a ribbon from a tractor pull, or even some piddly prize money makes you commercial is obsurd. On my tax returns I am involved in three different businesses that all use dually pick-ups and trailers with combined gross weight ratings of over 30,000lbs, and I don't have problems with all the stuff we do, so I just thi k it is nonsense for a guy hauling a tractor, that is his hobby, needs to worry.

OK, go ahead, flame a way.

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doodelbug

06-08-2006 21:03:58




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Luke S, 06-08-2006 10:27:28  
i didnt say that the law was right or wrong i just said ITS THE LAW. since you seem to know so much about all of this why dont we just send a DOT officer around to see you and then youll find out if its the law or not!!!



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RustyFarmall

06-08-2006 10:41:19




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Luke S, 06-08-2006 10:27:28  
Luke, you are trucking on borrowed time. The only reason you are getting away with what you are doing is because the various law enforcement agencys are understaffed and operating a ridiculously tight budget. The D.O.T. does not have the time nor the money to go after little guys like you. Believe it or not, if you are ever involved in a accident, the D.O.T. will be all over you so quick that you will wish you had never even heard of a dually.

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Luke S

06-08-2006 10:31:36




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Luke S, 06-08-2006 10:27:28  
And sense somebody quoted me on it, I'll say it again, A tractor collector of tractor puller going to a show or pull is not a commercial carrier, period. That is like saying that somebody with a big boat and dually truck is a commercial carrier, it's obsurd.



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doodelbug

06-08-2006 21:10:30




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Luke S, 06-08-2006 10:31:36  
again you didnt understand what i said. the law states if you get any kind of payment, and a ribbon is a payment ( as stated in the law ) then you are a commerical carrier. it has to do with you recieving compensation , not how much but if you recieve it or not. why dont you go to the dept. of trans website and do some reading?? and yes you do need to read ALL the refered to paragraphs also.



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Ray

06-08-2006 13:15:23




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Luke S, 06-08-2006 10:31:36  
When i got my dot number several yaers ago the dot woman came to my house to see my one truck,
dually,gooseneck farm/collector operation.She told me that if i got a trophy at a tractor show,or had the intent to make money with whatever i was hauling,i was a commercial trucker.She said they had the big trucks all regulated and were working on the smaller trucks.
She said this all started when commercial freight companies started using smaller trucks to avoid the scales and dot regulations under 26000 pounds,so they lowered it to 10000 pounds.

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Luke S

06-08-2006 13:30:33




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Ray, 06-08-2006 13:15:23  
I still call B.S. Winning a trophy does not make you a commercial trucker. I am not saying you are wrong, I am saying that DOT lady is full of bull in my opinion. So, if I and my wife go to a horse event with our horses and we win a trophy or a saddle, we are commercial truckers now? Doesn't that seem stupid? I am exempt on my farming stuff so I don't worry about that, I am not exempt on our other two business operation's but I go anyhow, probably have run 200,000 miles in the last five years with a truck trailer combo GVW of 32,200lbs, never been bothered. I guess I'll just take the risk, when I finally do get tickedted, I'll just get smaller trailers with lower GVW's to get me under the 26k level here in Missouri, glad I don't live in those other dumb states where the limit is 10k!

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Matt from CT

06-09-2006 13:36:45




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 Commercial isn't what you think it is... in reply to Luke S, 06-08-2006 13:30:33  
It's what the statutes say it is.

In Connecticut:
Below listed are those vehicles that are exempt from the requirements of a commercial driver's license:
Vehicles used for farming purposes (within 150 miles of the farm ). Fire fighting apparatus. Authorized emergency vehicles. Recreational vehicles. Military vehicles operated by military personnel.

If it's not among those 5 (and Fire Apparatus / Emergency Vehicles have an alternative license requirement, and I believe the Military it's own internal standards)...and it's over the 26,000# GVW or 10,000# Trailer you need a CDL in Connecticut, end of discussion.

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Ray

06-08-2006 15:41:34




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Luke S, 06-08-2006 13:30:33  
I bet if you check your already at the 10000 gvw regulation,that's federal,not a state law.



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john in la

06-08-2006 12:51:47




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to Luke S, 06-08-2006 10:31:36  
Well let me quote you again.

"commercial carrier"
This is where you are getting messed up.
The DOT rules dealing with insurance; IFTA; Log books; ect apply to everyone over 10,000 lbs but yes you must be commercial. It does not apply to Non commercial vehicles.
But CDL laws apply to EVERYONE with a gross vehicle weight of 26,001 or more.



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Davis In SC

06-08-2006 09:39:48




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to the tractor vet, 06-08-2006 07:47:01  
That RV loophole is correct. I know some guys that are running a full-sized Freightliner, with a big "camper" on it, & they pull a big race car transport trailer with it. No CDL needed, since it is registered as an RV. That rig, loaded to go to a race has to scale at close to 50,000 pounds. There are some crazy laws...



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Buzzman72

06-08-2006 09:17:41




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to the tractor vet, 06-08-2006 07:47:01  
A few years back, I borrowed a friend's dually pickup and gooseneck flatbed to go from just outside Louisville, KY to near Loraine, OH to pick up a '51 International pickup truck. I never thought about GCVW...until I pulled into a rest stop in Ohio and saw a bunch of Buckeye bears eyeballing the rig I was driving. It was only THEN that I thought about checking the Indiana tags on the truck and the trailer. Truck was licensed for 11,000#, and trailer for 16,000#...so I waited for the bears to leave before I took the rig back out on the road, since I didn't/don't have a CDL.

Coming home loaded, I probably still wasn't anywhere NEAR heavy enough to be over the weight limits for needing a CDL, but I'm just glad the "chicken coops" were closed, so I didn't have to test that theory. Needless to say, I've never borrowed that rig since, because I couldn't have afforded to paid all the fines, etc., that not having a CDL would've cost me.

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john in la

06-08-2006 01:14:03




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 Re: DMV rules, weight limits, CDL rules, etc in reply to NC Wayne, 06-07-2006 22:05:51  
UHMMMMM MMMMM
You forgot the link.



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