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DigDugNC

06-21-2006 16:05:06




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Here is something to stir the pot!!!! How many of you prefer using antifreeze or windshield washer fluid verse calcium chloride? Why do some of you still prefer the Calcium Chloride over other methods? CaCl is slightly heavier per volume, but can have some terrible rust problems. Antifreeze can be dangerous to animals or kids if left on the ground and not cleaned up after a spill, unless you use the enviromently friendly stuff. I dont know of any draw back to windshield washer fluid. Also about how much antifreeze or windshield washer fluid should you use per gallon of water for lets say down to about zero degrees. How many gallons would you use and how much weight does it add? (example 13.6x38 rear tire on Farmall M). I live in North Carolina so it usually don't get much colder than about 20 degrees.
O.K. Blast away and tell me why your method is the best method!!

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buickanddeere

06-22-2006 17:25:45




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 16:05:06  
Dan-IA has an accurate handle on the issue. Many people fill tires with cacl becasue thier pappy,grand pappy and great grand pappy used cacl. In those days there wasn't anything else cheap that worked other than salt water made with cacl. May as well mix livestock salt with water and use in tires instead of cacl. For all those who say cacl doesn't cause damage. Behind sheds and in salavge yards across the world are rims eaten through by cacl. These rims are 1/4 the age of other perfectly fine rims besid ethem that have never seen internal salt ballast. Valve stems can seap for weeks, months or years before the operator notices the rust spreading from the inside out. Too late for the rim by then.

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Don-Wi

06-22-2006 00:02:54




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 16:05:06  
I'm with the guys that say CaCl is the only way to go. As long as the tube doesn't leak(which it shouldn't) you won't have any problems. Out of the 4 tractors we are running, 3 have fluid. The one that doesn't is my Oliver 1600 that I rebuilt. I don't plan to do any heavy pulling with it, but it still does it's fair share. Just don't need the extra traction in that one because it rakes hay, pulls wagons, pulls the grain drill and corn planter (lighter is better) and it runs the blower to fill the silos and straw mow.

It works the hardest on the blower, which is stationary labor.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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paul

06-21-2006 21:08:41




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 16:05:06  
Working farm, CC is the only way to go.

Gets to minus 20 here & gotta feed the cattle, washer fluid would be way too expensive and not heavy enough & my coop would be extremely ticked at me for contaminating their CC supply if I showed up with that junk in my tires.

If you ain't using the tractor but it's just parked, then you don't need any weight in it at all. If you use it, rust isn't a problem.

Wouldn't dream of anything but CC.

--->Paul

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Allan In NE

06-22-2006 05:06:01




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to paul, 06-21-2006 21:08:41  
Yeah,

Can't you just imagine the reaction if ya called the tire service people and told 'em ya wanted a set of tires filled with pickle juice, WW fluid, or beet water? :>)

Allan



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paul

06-22-2006 08:09:28




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to Allan In NE, 06-22-2006 05:06:01  
The beet water they might be able to do if I give them enough time. To order in some Rim Guard. :) But I'd be a real special case around here....

--->Paul



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Dan-IA

06-21-2006 20:22:37




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 16:05:06  
Why my method is the best method?

Dad's a farmer. He used to be an IH mechanic.
Said everytime he had to do transmission work and the gears were all chewed up, he walked up to the tires and tapped 'em. Yup, you can hear the fluid in the tires.

So, he swears at fluid in tires. Walks away from tractors on auction if there's fluid in 'em.

Want more traction? Duals. More weight? Wheel weights, or weights on the front. Still more weight? Use a bigger tractor. Don't have one big enough? You're trying too hard, that implement doesn't need to go that fast or that deep.

I can't speak for using antifreeze or windshield wiper fluid, but I have several rims on older tractors (grandpa's) that are so rusted I wouldn't trust 'em any further than to pull it out of the shed to change 'em. Stuck my finger right through where it should have been a solid rim. Granted, two of my old Cockshutts hadn't run in 20 years and the tires were flat, but I haven't seen anything so rusted out as a rim that had CaCl in it.

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buickanddeere

06-21-2006 19:51:05




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 16:05:06  
Wiper fluid is cheap and doesn't freeze until -30f or -40F. Ethylene and not Glycol engine coolant is $$$ and is poison. Propylene Glycol is $$$ but not toxic. Calcium Chloride will eat the paint off a tractor should a sudden failure or puncture allow it to dribble or spray. In an ideal world the tires would be operated dry and external cast ballast weights used.



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ld5030

06-21-2006 19:24:28




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 16:05:06  
Just put new tires on the Bobcat and had them filled with Rim Guard. Non-corrosive, non-toxic, biodegradeable.



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rotten robert

06-21-2006 17:39:46




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 16:05:06  
Cal hloride in solution weighs around 12lbs. to the gallon whereas we all know water weighs 8lbs per. So you do the math as to how much weight you can add into a tire. Anti freeze will only add freeze protection and at a 50/50 mix can get expensive.



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DigDugNC

06-21-2006 18:32:23




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to rotten robert, 06-21-2006 17:39:46  
Is 50/50 mix really necessary just to stop the water in tires from freezing in an area that rarely gets below 20 on a cold day?



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JMS/MN

06-21-2006 17:31:43




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 16:05:06  
I think calcium chloride will give you the most weight per gallon, if that is what you are after. People make an issue with the rust it causes. That is not an issue if you fix the tube when it is leaking. Just another problem that does not fix itself- either needs a new valve (screw in the replacement) or pull the tube and replace the assembly. Granted, a hobbyist doesn't like to pay the service charges for that, but the farmer that needs a properly weighted tractor just considers it a cost of doing business. Putting off repairing the leak is what causes the rim problem.

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Nebraska Cowman

06-21-2006 17:22:59




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 16:05:06  
Does windshield washer fluid have enough anti-rust ingredients in it that a slow seap over time won't still rust your rims? I rather doubt it. I'll stick with the heavier cheaper calcium, thanks.



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old

06-21-2006 20:01:05




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-21-2006 17:22:59  
Wiper fluid may not have anti rust stuff in it but, it has to has something along that line or you would have cars rusting badly around the wind shields. So far I have never had a rust problem useing wiper fluid but have had more then one rim that went to the srap yard because of CACL. But I also believe in. TO each there own

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old

06-21-2006 16:34:54




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 16:05:06  
My self I use wiper fluid. I use it 100% no water added the reason is its only good to about zero as is. I put something like 36 gallions in a 13.6X28 tire so as far as your tire I don't know. I also don't know if the page from an owners manual I send to people has that info in it either. But if you would like a copy of it just drop me an e-mail. It shows 2 or 3 ways to fill tires with fluid

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souNdguy

06-21-2006 16:32:41




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 16:05:06  
If you have tube tires with good tubes.. cacl is no big deal.

For weight / volume.. i just look here

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DigDugNC

06-21-2006 18:30:49




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 Re: Fluid in tires: CaCl..vs..antifreeze/windshiel in reply to souNdguy, 06-21-2006 16:32:41  
Great Chart! Thanks for the info.



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