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OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket problem ?

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CB in central N

06-22-2006 06:59:22




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Greetings to all.

I have a 1994 Toyota pick-up truck (now with 127,000 miles) that has been loosing coolant. I cannot figure out where it’s going. I have to add coolant regularly but the engine does not really overheat except when the coolant gets low (obviously). Everything looks bone dry but after I’ve been driving for a long time every once in a while you can see droplets of coolant on the ground.

Back in 2000 I overheated the truck badly due to a bad thermostat and not being close to any repair shop. I believe that I damaged the head gasket right then and there, because in 2002 I had it replaced. The head was not warped or so the mechanic said. The truck never behaved quite right ever since the first overheating. It seems like I always had to add coolant.

A couple of days ago I finally took it to a Toyota dealer. They looked it over and pressure-tested it. They could not find an external leak and said it’s probably the head gasket. They also said that one of the head bolts was seized up and would probably break if they tried to remove it. I asked if they could re-drill and re-tap it if that happened and they said no, not in their facility, you’d probably need a new engine (!!!)

I am taking the truck back for now and will just keep adding coolant. I am hoping folks out there might have advice for me regarding this issue, getting the bolt out, and also how damaging is it for me to keep adding coolant (which might be running through the engine). By the way, there is no white smoke coming out of the tail pipe like it did before the head gasket job. Thanks and sorry for the long post.

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Keith in Kelseyville

06-22-2006 22:25:14




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
I have a similar problem on my '87 with 218K miles on it. In the winter the windows would fog up more than I thought normal. One early morning the sun was hitting the car as I drove just at the right angle for me to see a vapor comming out of the vent...heater core leak. Still haven't fixed it, as I just add a quart now and then. Love that truck, had it for 18 years...

Keith



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37 chief

06-22-2006 15:56:09




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
There is a water dye to detect water leaks in cooling systems. I have never used it , but it might help finding the leak. Like someone else said It is probably the water pump, or a freeze plug behind the flywheel. The easy ones never leak. stan



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Truck

06-22-2006 14:40:49




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 Seized bolts???? in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
I would question the comment about a possibility of seized head bolts. Those bolts are BIG and I highly doubt you will see any snap off. With all the toyota engines I"ve seen apart, I have Never seen a head bolt break.

BTW check out Engnbldr on EBay for some fantastic deals on 22RE engine parts.

I would be checking timing chain rattle and make certain I don"t have a new hole rubbed into the timing cover. Enginebuilder has steel timing rail kits to prevent that at a super price.

Get someone to do a pressure check of the system while you look at all the hose connections and the water pump area. Look at the side of the timeint cover where it mates with the engine block, and at the small hoses that bolt to the back of the cover. Wiggle the hoses. If you have a head gasket problem it will go to full failure mode quite quickly so I would question that being your current problem.

The 4 Cyl is a super reliable engine if you do not overheat it. Only timing chain issues keep it from going 300000 miles between minor rebuilds.

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KEH

06-22-2006 13:57:36




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
Try to see if heater is leaking anywhere. Hoses, heater core. Now that its warm weather, you could disconnect heater hoses and run one hose from outlet of water pump back to inlet so the water recirculates. Did this on a Ford, never tried it on a Toyota. I also am suspicious of statement that bolt is seized and engine must be replaced. More suspicious of mechanics statement that head was not warped after overheating, I've BTDT and never been that lucky.

KEH

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Bryan in Iowa

06-22-2006 10:49:24




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
Could be head gasket or cracked head ,hard to tell without tearing down . I have a 90 6.2 GM diesel that is leaking.It's in a van ,not real excited about pulling heads. I am going to try some KW block and head gasket sealant . Supposed to be good stuff, need to flush rad and block, then add sealer and water let run , drain , let dry 12 hours . I guess we'll see how it works,,,not much for believing in bandaids ,,but in this case will try it .

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bradk

06-22-2006 10:30:11




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
I've always found external leaks by pressure testing the system when the engine is cold.When the engine warms up,the gaps expand & usually seal up.
The strong anti-freeze smell is from the coolant evaporating from the block when warming up.~brad



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doodelbug

06-22-2006 08:56:15




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
how about a little radiator stop leak? cheep fix and might just solve your problem.



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cj3b_jeep

06-22-2006 08:41:08




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
My 1990 v-6 toyota has 199,999 and still going strong. Can't say as much for the bed though. Tell me, how do they know one of the head bolts is seized? Di they take the head partway off? Did they try to tighten the head bolts? I was just kind of curious. Sounds like a fairly bad leak, but I'd do what everyone else says. Check the oil, check the exhaust. Check hoses, freeze plugs, etc. Did you have the timing chain/belt changed yet? If not, at least on the old 22r engines, this could be a source of your problem. The chain tensioners wear out, chain slaps, lets oil and coolant mix.

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CB in central NY

06-22-2006 08:34:24




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
There is a strong smell of hot antifreeze around the truck once it has been running for a while. I haven't smelled the exhaust on cold start but otherwise it does NOT smell like antifreeze.



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VinnieNC

06-22-2006 08:28:27




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
I can think of a couple of leak sources. The weep hole in the water pump could be the problem if it is the original waterpump. The leak might also be on one of the freeze plugs on the side of the block, very difficult to see if there is a manifold in the way. If the leak is very slight, I have seen small amounts evaporate away on a hot engine.

If you have droplets on the floor, you need to trace them to the point of origination. This may require cleaning the engine down of grease and grime so that you can see a wet spot. Built up grease and grime can soak up a small leak making it hard to find.

Also, the leak could be as simple as a heater hose or clamp. You can squeeze them when cool enough and look for seepage.

Hope this helps. Good Luck.

-Vinnie

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Coloken

06-22-2006 08:23:52




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
Find a lab that will do a test of the oil. See if any antifreeze in it. If not, keep driving it. Water pump? Head gasket to outside of engine? Around a head bolt? Even hose connections can play games with you.



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mjbrown

06-22-2006 08:21:41




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
A couple of things to try:
Pull the plugs. does one look different from the others? Cleaner?.
Do a comperssion check and see if you have a low cylinder.
Have someone cold start the truck while you sniff the exhaust. If you get a whiff of antifreeze on start, you have a small leak into a cylinder and coolant is weeping in while the engine sits.
I'd be very skeptical of a mechanic that suggests you need to replace an engine because of a head gasket and/or stuck head bolt. That's nuts. If the head bolts are studs with nuts the nut can be cut.
You need another mechanic.

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ebbsspeed

06-22-2006 07:30:10




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 06:59:22  
If you can see droplets of coolant on the ground occasionally then you should be able to determine where it is coming from. Crawl under that thing with a flashlight and have a good look. How much coolant are you losing?



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CB in central NY

06-22-2006 07:46:43




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to ebbsspeed, 06-22-2006 07:30:10  
I don't drive the truck that much, so there is no pattern. Let's say, I fill the radiator and the overflow reservoir. After maybe 200 miles the reservoir is empty but there is still plenty in the radiator. And it goes downhill from there.

I have looked at that thing upwards and downwards and I just cannot see the leak. But those droplets have to come from somewhere.



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Ross Pugh(NC)

06-22-2006 13:37:37




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 07:46:43  
You may have just a leaking overflow tank. Everytime your engine heats up your cooling system fluids expand and overflow into overflow tank and as the system cools the fluid is drawn back from overflow tank into cooling system. If overflow tank has a leak, be ever so slight, sooner or later you going to run out of fluid. These plastic tanks age and split or crack. once you have no fluid in the tank to go back in the engine you have air in the system, causing heating problem.

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Mark

06-22-2006 08:31:47




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 Re: OT - Truck loosing coolant - head gasket probl in reply to CB in central NY, 06-22-2006 07:46:43  
If you set your mind to it, you CAN find the leak(s). Now, be of good cheer....it's a Toyota and danged near indestructible! My old '87 has 180,000+ and drips oil here and there. It's just too easy to add a little oil than to go looking at a major fix for a minor problem. Coolant is different though..... if you can keep an eye on it, just keep pouring more in. Add water in the warm months..... .cheap and plentiful. Just load up on anti-freeze come cold weather!

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