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Dan in Ore

07-16-2006 06:17:42




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When did the money issue become the top priority in our hobby? Why is it the people that administer our clubs think the bottom line is all that matters?
I am currently participating in the EDGE&TA national show in southern Washington. I hauled a tractor 300 miles to "help" the branch put on a good display.
Most of the show was well thought out. Parking is about 1/8 mile from the show grounds and they have buses that haul participants and the public to the grounds. Saturday morning I got up early and helped our branch from southern Oregon set up our display. I left and went back to the motel to get my wife and grandson and go back to the show grounds. I went into the parking area just as required. When we were ready to board the bus the lady that was co-ordinating the bus loading told me it would be $5.00 for each adult. I calmly explained that we were exhibitors and should not have to pay. She was very forceful that if we didn"t pay, then we wouldn"t be getting on the bus. I payed the $10.00 and went on over to the show grounds. I always swore that if I ever had to pay to exhibit at another clubs show, I would just leave and take my display with me. The problem is that the club members that had our club display set up were counting on me to help. I was told by our branch president that he talked to someone and that if I went to so and so I could get my $10.00 back.
A note to all club officers here, if you have someone that is in charge of admissions at your shows make sure that they know who to charge and who not to.
Our local club has never charge a gate in 30 years of existance and we are still surviving.
Sorry about the long post.

Dan

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Butch 1 cow

07-16-2006 20:29:21




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dan in Ore, 07-16-2006 06:17:42  
We never charged anyone comming or going at our show. We had a donation box at the registration booth and ALWAYS came out on the + side after the show. We were just happy to have folks bring thier equ. in for demos & displays. With fuel prices so high, events will and are loosing participation. If you want to keep the shows going, forget the fund raising. Make folks feel welcome! Greet them with a ribbon & a dash plaque no matter what they bring, no charge. They have already spent plenty just to get there!!! If you build it, the public will come. Our shows are living history class rooms. My 2 cents

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Matt from CT

07-16-2006 12:43:34




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dan in Ore, 07-16-2006 06:17:42  
Our local fair has an attendance of about 80,000 over four days (not a typo in the attendance, at one point we were solidly #2 in the state, over the last decade we've dropped to #4 as a couple others nearer population centers came up in attendance significantly...and #1 Woodstock exploded in attendance).

My fire company's best fundraiser balancing net dollars and man-hours it takes is running most of the car parking concessions. (We have a golf tournament that is the best $$$ per man-hour, but a lot smaller gross)

I can sympthathize with the women in the bus.

Our fair now issues parking and gate passes to vendors and exhibitors, but their issued based on some formula they have to keep everybody and their brother from having passes.

We even need today to issue passes to those helping working our lots due to people in town who had a T-shirt with the fire company name on it using those to get in the gates for free.

While the majority of people are nice and friendly, there is a significant minority -- maybe 10%, though sometimes it seems like 20%, who believe the world evolves around them.

And they'll work the system to their advantage if they can, and even if they can't they don't mind pushing buttons to see if they can get special treatment other's don't.

The unfortunate consequence becomes you can't trust people at their word. Need a pass to park for free. Need a handicap sticker to be let into the handicap parking (we actually have to keep a rope across those lanes and drop it for individual cars...since people don't respect the signs.)

If there was a entrance or parking fee, the group putting it on should have distributed passes to the participants.

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john *.?-!.* cub owner

07-16-2006 12:32:24




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dan in Ore, 07-16-2006 06:17:42  
Have you considered the owner of the busses had to be paid, along with his drivers and insurance. that can amount to a pretyt big bill. The bus company may have told the club they would provide the transporttion for the per head charge and were doing it themselves.

I have been to shows where the exhibitors got free passes, which was great. I have also been to shows where the admission was free, but exhibitor paid $20 each. This last was due to the fact that the only place to have the show was a city park that was not fenced, and there was no way to control admission, and the security guard,. liability, etc. had to be paid someway. Liability for even a small show runs in the 5k to 10k range now. It isn't the clubs that are making the money.

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p8ntball329

07-16-2006 11:48:33




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dan in Ore, 07-16-2006 06:17:42  
Our local show will give you 2 free passes for bring your exhibit. Maybe thats why its the biggest in MI

Tony



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John M

07-16-2006 10:34:51




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dan in Ore, 07-16-2006 06:17:42  
Took that long huh? Thast why Ive given up showing! I understand that the club,or indiviual, has costs, but come on,tell me someones not out to make a little money on the thing,maybe 10 years ago it was for the enjoyment,but now..... .



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Eddie M

07-16-2006 12:04:25




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to John M, 07-16-2006 10:34:51  
Life's too short to fret over $10.00. Appreciate that you can get to these shows and enjoy some wonderful fellowship. I wouldn't let an enjoyable lifelong memory of being with friends get stopped over a few dollars. It's only money, after all. As you are laying on your deathbed, will you remember spending a good time with your longtime tractor pals or will you cling to the $10.00 you saved?

Not all of us are able to do what you might be taking for granted. I think of all the wonderful times I had with my Dad going to shows. Even when we didn't get along when I was young and stupid, we could ALWAYS relate through tractors and engines. Now that he is gone I don't seem to remember that it cost me any money. Even though he has been gone for some time now, I still am getting tears in my eyes just thinking about how we always hung out together at Rollag. Please don't deny your kids that for something as incredibly stupid as money. God bless.

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John M

07-16-2006 15:35:42




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Eddie M, 07-16-2006 12:04:25  
Are your remarks directed at me? If so do even go there!I lost my father as well.



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Eddie M

07-16-2006 15:40:46




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to John M, 07-16-2006 15:35:42  
It was a general comment meant for anybody. My apologies if you, or anybody, took it as an insult although I don't know how you could.

In the future I will steer clear of posting after you if it is an issue.



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John M

07-16-2006 17:06:56




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Eddie M, 07-16-2006 15:40:46  
No Promblem partner! Just this kinda stirred up some memories:

"Not all of us are able to do what you might be taking for granted. I think of all the wonderful times I had with my Dad going to shows. Even when we didn't get along when I was young and stupid, we could ALWAYS relate through tractors and engines. Now that he is gone I don't seem to remember that it cost me any money. Even though he has been gone for some time now, I still am getting tears in my eyes just thinking about how we always hung out together at Rollag"

I lost my Dad as well, and I miss him dearly.

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dr.sportster

07-16-2006 10:33:22




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dan in Ore, 07-16-2006 06:17:42  
An 1/8 mile is only 660 feet so Im thinking it must have been furhter than that.As far as you having to pay,well without you there is no show.Its the same as paying for your race car to run at the track BUT no cars ,no spectators.The only way to make promotors realize this is to all hang together and make a stand.Its just not right because you are the commodity the place is making their money off.Nobody stops to think about that.I would have been vocal about "Well you wont see me or my freinds next year.Heres your five bucks"

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sammy the RED

07-16-2006 10:30:01




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dan in Ore, 07-16-2006 06:17:42  
Was the 5 bucks for the ride or the show ?

Most exhibitors have a tag to wear.



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Dan in Ore

07-16-2006 21:08:11




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to sammy the RED, 07-16-2006 10:30:01  
The $5 was for admission to the show.

I did have an exhibitor badge.



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Animal

07-16-2006 08:32:30




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dan in Ore, 07-16-2006 06:17:42  
These same values are instilled in our young folks today, modern day parents pay their kids to take out the trash and such, when I was a teen I wanted a car, nice clothes etc. my parents did not have the means to just give it to me, or if they did they most certainly would not have. To obtains these things we had to work for them and I mean hard work, I started thinning sugar beets at 11 years old and went from that to hay hauling moving irrigation pipe and working in potato warehouses, I always had nice things, but I knew the value and the sweat that it took to get them. Todays youth do not want for anything, my grand children included, and this makes me sick. I guess the point I am trying to make is that we as a nation especially with the stupid law suits have instilled that it is so much easier to slick some one out of money than to earn it,of which their is no pride or value of what a buck is worth. With fuel the price it is and the cost of lodging whether it be a camper or motel, it takes some kind of balls to charge an exhibitor, and I do not care if its an antique show, flower show or whatever any sort of an admission fee..... Sir you are a much better man than I am for I would have been loaded and gone in two shakes of a lambs tail!

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migraine

07-16-2006 08:27:34




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dan in Ore, 07-16-2006 06:17:42  
Dan, how was the the show there? I was hoping to come and pull with O.T.P.A, but I needed to work on my stuff getting ready for our show up here in Lynden August 2,3,4,5. I would like to come to more of these shows in the future. As far as the cost goes, I have always felt that if an exhibitor puts in the time and money to help put on the show, he should not be charged to view the total display. Prety soon no one will bring anything and there won't be a show. I still take care of all the insurance for our club and while costs do continue to rise, we need to find alternatives sources for funding and fundraisers to keep our shows intact. Just my thoughts Migraine

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Dan in Ore

07-16-2006 21:04:04




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to migraine, 07-16-2006 08:27:34  
It was a good show and had a lot of interesting displays.
I'm not sure, but I may have been the only exhibitor that encountered this problem.
The point I was trying to make was that when a club puts on a show of this magnitude, everybody needs to be briefed on who to charge and who not to charge and how to coduct the business that they want taken care of.
They put on a real good show.
I was offered the $10.00 returned to me, but the money wasn't the issue (I had already spent a few hundred getting there). I guess I should have kept this inside me instead of upsetting the apple cart. I was just very angry this morning and fealt a need to vent.

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Jonfarmer

07-16-2006 08:04:28




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dan in Ore, 07-16-2006 06:17:42  
You think you've got it bad?. The local field days has decided as of this year to start charging all the antique tractor people who show their equipment full price for tickets. Always used to be you got a free pass for each old tractor or engine you brought. Now you get nothing, and they're going to charge $8 a day per person for tickets for the 3 days, and it used to be you could park your camper right next to the old tractors so you could kinda keep an eye on things since their security wasn't very good, and this didn't cost you a thing, but this year, they want all the campers parked away from everything all in 1 big clump, and they're going to charge $25 a day for the 3 days. Now how does this sound?.

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sammy the RED

07-16-2006 10:28:26




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Jonfarmer, 07-16-2006 08:04:28  
Sounds like not a whole lot of old tractors won't be showing !!!



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Jonfarmer

07-16-2006 17:18:18




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to sammy the RED, 07-16-2006 10:28:26  
The sad part is, if we (meaning our club) doesn't show, that will give them the perfect excuse to do away with the old tractors section of the show, the board of directors for the field days is leaning towards it and have been for the last few years. They are concentrating more on ATV mud racing, pickup truck pull, and farm pull, gambling, and the beer tent. Word is they want to get rid of the old tractors/engines and the cattle part of it, since they can't see where that makes them much money. It used to be a really nice family event, but they are getting away from that more and more in attempts at making more money, especially since the cost of everything is going up and I understand that, but I feel it is wrong to stick it to their exhibitors, if I go like I usually do, it's going to cost me $72 in tickets for 3 of us, and $75 our camper, plus the cost of hauling tractors, thats a good chunk of change, it's going to cost me around $200 this year.

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Dave from MN

07-16-2006 06:26:50




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dan in Ore, 07-16-2006 06:17:42  
I spose it will get like everything else- making money! If I had on going on I would hope that I would price things just to cover cost that donations dont. Ya know there really is not many things you can just bring the kids with for a short lesson on history and days gone by that ya dont have some one trying to make a buck off you, Life is way better then money, but today, with out money, how can ya live. Kinda envy Charles Ingalls and the Waltons. I like society less and less every year.

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Midwest redneck

07-16-2006 07:48:27




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 Re: Money, Money, Money in reply to Dave from MN, 07-16-2006 06:26:50  
Very true. Every where you look it is in your face "BUY THIS" and "YOU CANT LIVE WITHOUT THAT" I remember reading that in the old days if you needed a house or barn framed all the towns people would come over and put it up in a day for lunch and beer afterwards. But not anymore too afraid of being sued by some ambulance chaser.



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