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Matt Kane

07-19-2006 14:03:58




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I put in a garden this year, and I am having problems. I plowed around 6 inches deep and disked may times, then the wife said its not deep enough. So I plowed about 6 inches deeper for a total of 12 inches and disked this good. Planted the garden with plants, and our tomatoes (ROMAS) Dont want to grow at all. Also many of the plants are not growing to well. We have had plenty of water, and I dont know what to do to get them growing again. Was the disc and plow the wrong thing to do? What can I do for next year?

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Matt from CT

07-19-2006 17:13:10




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 Re: OT- Garden in reply to Matt Kane, 07-19-2006 14:03:58  
1) Failure to thrive on a recently plowed garden plot...

Makes me wonder about herbicides in the soil. Say a broadleaf weedkiller that's built up in the lawn.

2) Get a soil test done.

If herbicides aren't the problem, maybe a weird imbalance like a lack of K (Potassium / Potash) is keeping the roots from developing. Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and the rest can't work without roots!

I'd also do it through a lab. In the U.S. we can send them through the Extension Centers to a state lab for a fairly nominal fee. Maybe after the first few "professional" samples you could go the cheap route with a home kit to just make sure you're eye is staying on the ball.

The soil test should give you an idea where to go.

3) As far as how much organic matter you need...

Do a "soil ball test"

You want to be able to form a ball of soil with your hand that keeps it shape when left alone, but crumbles if squeezed.

If it won't form a ball, it's too sandy and you need much more organic matter. <-- my problem and the local dairy farmer delivers by the truckload for me each year :)

If you can not only form a ball but also a "sausage"...there's too much clay. <-- not my problem, so I don't know how to fix it.

4) Gardening is a journey so enjoy the trip. Mine is doing really, really well this year because I've had time to dote on it, although most of the doting only takes 20-30 minutes a day on average (i.e. 1 hour one day, nothing the next, maybe a couple 10 minute days, play for an hour that weekend...)

But you just reminded me, I meant to pickup some baking soda today and spray my pumpkins to prevent bacterial wilt that I think is threatening with the recent warm, humid nights...hafta to do that tomorrow or I could risk the whole patch.

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steveiijd4000

07-19-2006 16:35:37




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 Re: OT- Garden in reply to Matt Kane, 07-19-2006 14:03:58  
there no need go very deep 12 inch,
I been doing garden my self I do 4 inch deep if it has been plant for years go 4 inch.

new ground for garden I would disk up as good as I can get but not deeper 12 inch, 6 or 8 is good.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

07-19-2006 16:33:51




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 Re: OT- Garden in reply to Matt Kane, 07-19-2006 14:03:58  
You sound as though you are from Ontario. We've had lots of rain -- too much, most of the time -- but the gardens just haven't grown this year. Even the weeds are lacklustre.

All my raspberries are growing is foliage. Melons are feeble and the cucumbers have hardly bloomed yet. We were eating them by this time last year.

My early corn, however, is thick and lush and attracting racoons at the moment.

Hey, I have a whole year's experience under my belt, but my mother and her sister, with 135 years of gardening between them, have both replanted sections which didn't grow.

If your veggie patch doesn't work out, blame the year. You might not be doing anything wrong and things can change very quickly in a garden.

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Glen in TX

07-19-2006 16:21:16




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 Re: OT- Garden in reply to Matt Kane, 07-19-2006 14:03:58  
Put out some water soluble fertilizer plant food like Miracle Gro but you can get the cheaper stuff like it at Walmart, 15-30-15 Expert Gardner in green box. I use the cheaper fertilizer like that and put in through drip soaker lines using a Y-strainer to mix it in every 7-14 days or you can just use one of those applicators on end of garden hose. You can't hurt it really by putting on too much of that type plant food and it will only use what it needs and they have some recommended just for tomatoes too. Planted Rutgers, Better Boy, and cherry tomatoes here from seed and they are doing great.

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Matt Kane

07-19-2006 14:41:53




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 Re: OT- Garden in reply to Matt Kane, 07-19-2006 14:03:58  
This is the house I grew up in, bought it from my parents and restored it. Where the garden is it has been there for years, and My father had put all the manure in it until around 5 years ago. This year when i plowed it, it smelled like ****. So I think there was some in there. I was wondering about the depth because I brought up some clay from down under. So can I cover it at the end of the year with cow manure, then in the spring, plow and disk it. I thought about plowing it under at the end of the season.

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old

07-19-2006 15:21:11




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 Re: OT- Garden in reply to Matt Kane, 07-19-2006 14:41:53  
You might tring plowing it this fall then plant some winter wheat. Then in the spring plow that under. Your problem is you may not have enough compost type matrail in the ground. Your soil also maybe depleated of something like nitrogen etc whci can also cause you problems.



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old

07-19-2006 14:35:25




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 Re: OT- Garden in reply to Matt Kane, 07-19-2006 14:03:58  
I grow a garden every year and have been doing so for decades. Let me guess you started on some old yard area of your place right?? Well if you did then you need to add organic matrial like manure, composted grass/hay etc. Work all that in and next year it will do better. I have tomato plants that if I could keep the stacked up would be taller then I am and I stand 6 foot tall. My sweet corn is about 8 foot tall. Every fall I cover my garden area with manure and let it sit till spring and then till that in. I use no chemicals on my garden and I alwys have a good crop till this time of year and then it just gets to dry to do much. So far this past 18 months we are at least 13 inch behind on rain and when its 100 out you just plain can not water it enough to do any good

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Mike in Ind.

07-19-2006 14:22:25




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 Re: OT- Garden in reply to Matt Kane, 07-19-2006 14:03:58  
I don"t think the plowing had anything to do with the plants. I would suggest having the soil tested. In my experiance tomatos grow best in a slightly sandy soil. The plants are certainly lacking somthing to keep them from growing. Mike.



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