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Runs better after some hard running

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buickanddeere

08-09-2006 18:16:19




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Just back from a 2700 mile trip dragging a house trailer and too much loot. All through the north eastern Appalachian Mountains. New York State probably has the steepest hills and narrowest roads of all. 6.0L/364 300HP Chev in a 4x4 Crew Cab with the factory trailer towing package and 4L80E trans. Anyways I always set the trip odometer every tank of fuel. The past two tanks of fuel in the same ordinary driving have done 2 mpg better than before I left??? Must have finally broken the engine in driving up all those long steep hills at full power at 65mph in hot weather with the AC on full blast. Temp guage rose on several occasions from the normal 195F to 235F. Guage hits red at 257F so she was still safe.

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Matt from CT

08-09-2006 19:00:26




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 Re: Runs better after some hard running in reply to buickanddeere, 08-09-2006 18:16:19  
New York? Sharp, steep roads? Nah :)

I couldn't find the pic I saw of th road itself...

There's basically a stop sign IIRC, and big signs with flashing lights that direct anything other than passenger cars to pull into the siding and read the instruction sign!

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bill mar

08-10-2006 05:03:34




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 Re: Runs better after some hard running in reply to Matt from CT, 08-09-2006 19:00:26  
the reason for this detour on route 20A is there were several bad accidents at the base of the hill.the road takes a sharp bend and the trucks would lose their brakes on the hill and they couldnt negotiate the curve and crash.im not sure but i think one of the crashes involved gasoline or propane.my parents told me in the days before fuel pumps on cars(gravity feed)cars with less than full gas tanks would have to back up the hill as the gas would all run away from the fuel outlet and the engine would starve for fuel.bill m

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Dave 2N

08-10-2006 06:27:59




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 Re: Runs better after some hard running in reply to bill mar, 08-10-2006 05:03:34  
There's a situation like this on Rt. 96B just before coming down the bighill into Ithaca. Designed to make the trucks come to a stop before proceeding.

Been on 20A quite a few times on the way to Orchard Park so I know right where you are talking about in the picture.



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T_Bone

08-09-2006 21:35:30




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 Re: Runs better after some hard running in reply to Matt from CT, 08-09-2006 19:00:26  
Hi Matt,

You would think if they took the time to install a warning sign that it would include the grade precentage and the length of grade.

Kinda like what Colorado does, they give you a grade speed of 35mph then you get near the bottom and they throw in a 180º 15mph hairpin corner with a warning sign 100ft away.

I've never seen a sign like your pic tho.

T_Bone



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Dave 2N

08-09-2006 18:37:00




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 Re: Runs better after some hard running in reply to buickanddeere, 08-09-2006 18:16:19  
Just curious--where in NYS were you pulling the steep hills and narrow roads? You must have not hit the real steep hills and walking paths called roads in PA.

I have a 2500HD with the same engine and tranny and I live down on the NY/PA border. That Silverado takes my tractors up over those hills like a cat with a bottle rocket up its behind.



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buickanddeere

08-09-2006 20:05:39




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 Re: Runs better after some hard running in reply to Dave 2N, 08-09-2006 18:37:00  
I was half lost one time taking a short cut across PA with a 4x4 Jimmy and about 4000lbs of trailer and a tractor. A couple of forsaken spots looked like an old Burt Renalds movie. The grades in places were so steep, taking off from stop signs. The tires were spinning on the stones/gravel on top of the pavement. That's with a working limited slip too. It took some real feathering of the throttle to get rolling in 2WD. It looked more like a Mount Washington road than a paved highway. That 6.0L cooling fan did start to howl when warmed and reved up. Must have took 10 to 15+HP to turn it at 4500rpm? The NY roads such as HWY #2 were sub standard and had the dearest fuel compared to similar in in Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont. For the same overall rise in elevation the NY roads had the steepest grades encountered on the trip. The shoulder was about two tire widths wide before the steel post guard rails. The temp gauge didn't even move off 195F when climbing Mount Wasington. The Trans Canada Highway in New Brunswick was wide with gradual turns but it did have some very long grades with a high climb. The GPS showed 2,3 and 400 ft plus up one hill and down the next. Speed limit was 68mph and we at least that. I thought Toronto traffic was nuts until we went through Montreal during rush hour in construction. Plus my French in limited to about 3 dozen words. About half of them you use if you smash your thumb with a hammer. Must have cleaned a few years of soot out of the engine. Trans temp never went above 105F. Come to think of it I did install an "Air-Raid" pipe just before the trip. It's between the stock airfliter and the stock throttle body. It may have added a HP or two and made the engine sound a bit like and old 350 four barrel with the breather lid flipped over. I can't imagine how it could improve mileage in any way.

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Dave 2N

08-10-2006 06:24:47




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 Re: Runs better after some hard running in reply to buickanddeere, 08-09-2006 20:05:39  
Sounds like you were up in the "North Country" (Adirondack/Canadian border area). I know some of those roads up that way are steep and narrow.

Down here where I live in the NY/PA border, we have big hills but not mountains and even our secondary roads are good. The PA line is about 2 miles from my front window and the road situation changes drastically when you hit PA on what I call normal secondary roads. PA didn't waste any time or money on shoulders on their secondary roads.

BUT--I'm not knocking PA. I've lived here in NY for 37 years but if I had it to do over again, I would have settled in PA; much better tax situation but at my age and the way we have things settled where we live now, we aren't starting over again. Funny thing--mortgage is no longer an issue but has been replaced by school, town, county taxes as the money pits.

This is my first Chevy and I'm starting to like it. Always was a Ford man but decided to simplify now that I'm in semi-retirement. Sold my Ranger and my F-600 rollback and now have the Chev. with plenty of "ooomph" plus room to take the grandsons. So far, it was a good decision.

Have a good day.

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Allan In NE

08-09-2006 18:22:18




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 Re: Runs better after some hard running in reply to buickanddeere, 08-09-2006 18:16:19  
Yes Sir,

And did you notice that noise when she hit 230 degrees? That's when that clutch hub locks in solid and really starts pullin' the air.

Allan



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