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What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load

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carpenter in be

08-24-2006 16:43:51




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I would like to know the exact and specific reasons why a diesel engine tends to smoke under a load. What takes place in an engine when under a load to make the diesel smoke? Loss of compression, lube loss, changes in valve movement? Please explain




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RAB

08-25-2006 01:28:59




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to carpenter in belmont, 08-24-2006 16:43:51  
None of what you suggested and not a lot of what some of the others have said.
Compare a spark ignition engine to a compression ignition engine. The spark ignition has a flame front starting at the spark plug and spreading across the fuel air charge at a high rate of knots.
The volatile fuel/air mixture has already been made pretty uniform, concentation wise, and contact surface (of air and fuel) is on the molecular level. The ratios are fixed to just burn all the fuel in all the oxygen. Some regard the burning as an explosion, but I would consider it to be a controlled high speed flame front. In a properly designed combustion chamber the flame path consumes all the fuel before the piston has travelled too far thus optimising the efficiency and power etc while not over-loading any engine components. It would do this at room temperature as well (Many people have witnessed fuel explosions) given a high enough temperature source(a spark) to trigger the reaction. Too little or too much fuel will not explode.

Now consider the naturally aspirated compression ignition engine. Here we have an engine running with an excess of air at all times (under normal engine settings and with engine in good fettle. Excess air at all times - right? Now we arrange to sqirt in some relatively non volatile (c/f to gas) fuel. However good the atomisation of the nozzle is those droplets will have a dimension much, much, much larger than a molecule. Those droplets have to "find" enough oxygen to burn from the outside in (even if they do evaporate on injection, the concentration of oxygen inside the droplet volume will be zilch) so it needs time to mix and burn completely. Incomplete combustion leads to soot formation (carbon, like as in coal) which then will only burn slowly at high temp.
Turning back to the squirt. Injectors are marvellous little things, operating as they do for long periods in the harsh environment of an engine combustion chamber. They have been designed to work as efficiently as possible over a given range. Excess volume injection is where the problem begins. Those injection nozzles cannot atomise the fuel perfectly and production of any larger droplets will increase the time for heating, evaporation, homogenisation with the air and combustion with the oxygen. Further, any fuel which contacts with any part of the engine will never burn fast enough, as it will not be hot enough and there is even less oxygen available just in those positions. Those injectors just cannot spread the fuel evenly enough in the combustion chamber air charge for all that excess air to come into play, so it forms soot - your black smoke. So it is really down to atomisation of the fuel within the complete combustion chamber.

Notwithstanding all that, lets not blame it all on the injector. Remember a diesel engine also has a carefully designed combustion chamber to induce as much swirl (mixing) as possible. Indirect injection engines had a separate, specially deigned, chamber where the initial combustion was instigated. The first direct injection ("combustion chamber in piston bowl") engines smoked a lot at all loads and needed carefully matched inlet manifolds to get enough swirl to burn the fuel in the alloted time-frame.

So, smoke is caused by too much fuel in a given volume at the least efficient range of the fuel delivery system, ie full injection volume, which is (always?) more than normal fuel volume at rated engine speed, when the governor opens up to maintain engine speed.
Remember, all engine designs are a compromise. Diesels are no different. The big marine engines, turning at a constant couple hundred revs per minute (rpm) are a much different "kettle of fish" than a car engine running up to 5000rpm or a tractor at 2500rpm.
Tractors, which must maintain their rpms at pto speed, might need a much bigger and slower engine to avoid "the heavy load smoke". Different cost, different size tractor (weight), different rear end design (for extra torque at lower speed range). Could be done, but tractor would overall be less efficient? (no point in using more fuel all the time just to lug itself around), and manufactures have to compete for sales.
Like I say - a compromise in design.
Sorry for the long post - but you did ask and there is no simple short answer if you want the reasoning as well.
Regards, RAB

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jdemaris

08-25-2006 07:19:12




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to RAB, 08-25-2006 01:28:59  
I think I disagree with a few of your comments, but perhaps the problem is semantics. First, there is a simple, albeit, general answer. A diesel smokes when more fuel is being injected than can be efficiently used at the time. Also, you mention the early DI engines with swirl-chambers in the pistons smoking under all loads. As I mentioned earler, I've worked on some very simple diesel engines, with DI and combustion chambers in the piston tops, that hardly smoked at all - one example being the Yanmar diesels that Deere used in the 70s. Yanmar was just more careful with their design and quality control. You mention tractor and engine designs being a compromise - which of course is true. But, it seems that some companies compromised more than others - and those that did it the most - by generalizing parts applications, and using very loose plus and minus assembly tolerances - often had the dirtiest running engines. The guy that asked the question about diesels smoking under load - I assume - was referring to the older, simpler diesel systems - and not new systems - that tend NOT to smoke.

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massey333

08-25-2006 05:18:05




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to RAB, 08-25-2006 01:28:59  
A little different question,You say efficent on fuel,so why did the older Cases,Olivers,Farmalls,ACs and ETC smoke like Coal Trains and not use much of any fuel.The New Modern Tractors can hardly be made to smoke and burn Twice or Better the fuel.Any Good Answers??



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RAB

08-25-2006 11:13:42




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to massey333, 08-25-2006 05:18:05  
Very sorry, I said overall efficiency and gave one example of more fuel to lug itself around, which was explained in the earlier reply to yours.
I meant overall efficiency to mean to the operator/owner. Like cost factor - to put in a stronger rear end for an engine with loads of bottom end grunt, resale value - or rather write down values for the accountant, larger tractors and implements - to reduce the driver wage costs, etc.
Regards, RAB

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buickanddeere

08-25-2006 11:01:17




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to massey333, 08-25-2006 05:18:05  
It takes a very minuet amount of unburned fuel to make the easily visible black soot. If the soot was blue/grey like the sky, you wouldn't notice the soot unless highly concentrated. A pile of those old tractors were turned way up in order to "keep up with the Jones" next door who just purchased a newer/larger tractor. New tractors are sealed up or electronic and are not readily tinkered upwards.

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RodInNS

08-25-2006 05:44:48




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to massey333, 08-25-2006 05:18:05  
Loading and parasitic power loss. The old tractors were just basic gear drive units. They had a relatively high efficiency in their gear trains. Newer units have power shift units, more weight... more moving parts. It all takes power to turn.
The other big factor, and probably the biggest factor..... is hydraulic pumps. An old tractor might pump 5 gpm for the main system, and a couple more for the power steering. Tractors today, depending on the size, could be pumping 20 plus for a small utility, and handy 70 gpm on the large row crops. It takes power to move oil.

Many of the "newer" tractors, from the 80's and 90's are a lot heavier than the old tractors too, so that takes power to drag around.
However, if you look at the Nebraska tests on many of these tractors, they are more efficient than the old engines. Their specific fuel consumption at rated power, in some cases is probably half what many tractors were during the 50's. There are exceptions, but that would be the general rule.....

Rod

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massey333

08-25-2006 12:34:03




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to RodInNS, 08-25-2006 05:44:48  
I know I'am going to lose this discussion,but from the real life and not on paper.A Case 301,377,451 or AC 301 will smoke so you can see it a mile away burning 3-4 GPH and a new JD 414,404,466,496(as a example)pull the same load,same speed will use 6-10 GPH.Diesel fuel per gal. cost the same for each one,so where is the fuel going.The Old ones aren't turned up either and weight as much or more than the new ones do.On a closed Center Hyd.tractor doing stationary PTO work You are not Pumping any amount of oil,the New Smoke Free tractors will use 2 to 3 times the fuel.(Grain augers,Generators and such.I have the New All Electronic Tractors but for the 12 to 24 or better Constant,around the clock non stop running I have to use the older 50s-60s diesels for the economics.Real life beats paper.

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RodInNS

08-25-2006 13:02:24




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to massey333, 08-25-2006 12:34:03  
I dunno. In my experience, the differences in fuel consumption are not that great. As an example, my old 4000 Ford often uses about 1 gph on light work. The 3930 Ford that has 7 hp less will burn 2 doing the same thing. The big difference is that the 3930, with it's loader weighs in at close to 8000#, and the 4000 might weigh 6000#, along with the 3930 moving close to 20 gpm through it's various pumps, where the 4000 might move 7-8. Even though that oil is not at pressure, it's still moving, and that's taking power. That's where I see most of the difference.

I'll probably start a color war with this, but comparing an old Orange tractor to any green thang isn't really fair to begin with. From what I've seen of most of the Allis engines, they were fairly efficient. From what I've seen of most of the Deere engines, most were not... Mabey others have different experiences, but that's what I've ovserved....

When it comes to truck engines, the electronic engines win hands down in fuel economy, and in so many other respects that it's not even worth comparing them.

Rod

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massey333

08-25-2006 13:44:12




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to RodInNS, 08-25-2006 13:02:24  
My point was(is)I can stand the smoke if the economy is so much better.As My Dad always said if it isn't wasted why worry about it.A Better Example is a 4020 Vs 4230 (same tractor only age),5-16s Plows, 4020 5-7GPH 4230 8-11GPH.We have not had good luck at all with Electronic 460s,-454s.Better MPG Empty,but no power and NO fuel Milage loaded.4-6 MPG loaded and no power either.A Lot of EFI 454s were coverted back to Carb.Statis for Heavy Towing App.

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Joe-Bob/IN

08-24-2006 20:07:36




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to carpenter in belmont, 08-24-2006 16:43:51  
I have read several times in this post that a turboed engine is less apt to smoke, however in my experience the turboed engines are more apt to smoke. And I think I know why, when you are at low rpm's and open it up you introduce extra fuel but the turbo isn't up to speed yet to compensate and add the extra air therefore you get the black smoke till she gets spooled up. Now lets say you are running under a good load and all is up to speed and such then you hit a tough spot, the engine slows a bit as does the turbo till the governor adds more fuel to keep the r's up to the set level. Engine slowly gains speed as does turbo but not in proportion to the fuel being introduced till the extra fuel makes extra heat to speed up the turbine then you get extra power and everything is back to balance, assuming the engine has the available power to regain the preset rpm's. Anyway, during the slowed r's you don't have enough air to cleanly burn the fuel and since diesel is a dirty fuel it blows black smoke. Not too many things better than seeing a nice Case 504 engine under tremendous load (or any other diesel!) and smoke heading towards the sky! It takes a close third to my neighbor in her bikini, right be my wife wearing anything or nothing!

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B-maniac

08-24-2006 19:01:11




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to carpenter in belmont, 08-24-2006 16:43:51  
Used to rebuild and "dyno-test" these pumps for Diesel Equipment Sales-St. Louis Michigan. You have to remember,a diesel is a whole different animal than a gas engine.First of all the intake air way is always WIDE OPEN and therefore it's the amount of fuel and timing of injection that governs rpm and power.Even when the throttle is wide open with no load,it injects very little fuel.(fast idle)(no smoke) When the throttle is wide open under no load the governor weights are thrown all the way out,closing the fuel volume valve down--no smoke. Now,drop a plow in the ground and rpm drops,the weights come back in,opening up more fuel volume for more power. You have to understand,it has wide open air all the time and fuel oil burns dirty. It's just that at idle or fast idle it isn't injecting enough to smoke OR make any power. If you want power you have to have fuel and lots of it because remember,it has all the air it needs all the time.So contrary to popular believe,it ain't running "rich" when it smokes,rather it's running "lean" when it don't! People aquate black smoke with running rich,not ideal mixture for making power.Thet's correct,but only on a gas engine.Why do 1000 hp super-stocks smoke so bad and make so much power if black smoke = to rich to make power? The more fuel,the more power,up until you reach the limits of the stock intake manifold.THEN you put on the turbo and force even more AIR in so now you turn up the volume in the pump and the sky's the limit.The more fuel, the more power,and it will smoke because it's FUEL OIL. The computer controled engines were developed for emmissions standards and fuel mileage. You make a larger engine and run a leaner pump with infinite control capabilities and it doesn't smoke as much because it overcompensates for load with more cubic inches instead of more fuel. Go to a late model diesel pickup pull. Computers and all,the ones that full pull are the ones that smoke like a super stock tractor! Ineffecient? To much fuel for the air? I think not. The more power,the more fuel..the more fuel, the more smoke! It's the way diesels are. They don't have a throttle as most people think of it,they have a valve in the pump that controls fuel volume,dictated by a governor that senses engine speed and load,in turn connected by linkeage to an operators control. Computers do it all electronically fed by many inputs from the engine and drive train. Get and read any book on the theory and design of the diesel engine.

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jdemaris

08-24-2006 19:00:17




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to carpenter in belmont, 08-24-2006 16:43:51  
The smoke is from more fuel entering the combustion chamber than the engine can burn
efficiently. A gas engine, when using a carburetor, draws air and fuel that is already
mixed together - via a venturi mixer - and tends not to run rich unless it is jetted wrong. And, a gas engine with electronic fuel injection - while not using a venturi to mix fuel
with air to the proper ratio, still is protected from being overfueled by a computer that
monitors the air-fuel ratio. With a mechanical diesel injection system - particulary a rotary type pump e.g.
Roosamaster or CAV, the volume of the fuel delivered is determined by a simple valve -
NOT pressure as someone suggested. The fuel injection pump will have a maximum
limit that it is capable of pumping - and then a valve that restricts that flow of fuel to the
injectors. That valve is hooked to the accelerator, governor, torque screw, or whatever.
When the valve is wide open - the injection pump will pump that absolute maximum that
it is calibrated for - whether the fuel can be used, or not. So, take a gas engine with
carburetor, load it down and give it full throttle - and it will not smoke (if it’s running
right). That is because it won’t take in much more fuel-air mix than it can use - unless
the carburetor is jetted wrong. Take a diesel, and load it down, and give it full throttle,
and the injection pump (in most cases) will deliver as much diesel fuel as it can -
regardless if the fuel can be burned or not. Thus the smoke. I’m being a bit simplistic
here, but close enough. Many tractors new did not smoke all that bad under load. But,
we’d often get complaints from farmers who wanted to see some smoke when working
the tractor. Also, pumps like the Roosamaster DB or C series are affected in two ways by
the maximum fuel setting. If you turn the max. delivery down a bit, it will often make
the tractor start hard. So, to the converse, on many high-hours tractors, we’d sometimes
turn the pump up a bit just to make it start better. This, of course, also resulted in more
smoke under load. The Roosamaster/Stanadyne that was mentioned, depending on the model, has several
controls for timing advance, load sensing, etc. And, if an engine is turbocharged, there
are usually even more control for fuel delivery. A turbocharged engine is less likely to
smoke as bad as a naturally aspirated engine - as stated earlier - because of the extra air
entering the combustion chamber, and also - the compression ratio being effectively
raised - thus the term “efffective compression ratio” versus “mechanical compression
ratio.” Even so, a turbo-engine making high boost can be made to smoke quite a bit if
enough fuel is being pumped. The newer diesels are not running cleaner just because of higher pressures. Higher
pump and injector pressures do not have a major effect on the visible smoke. Newer
systems are just designed better and deliver more proper amounts of fuel throughout the
working range of the engine -and hold back fuel when it cannot be burned. When I was
working for a Deere dealer in the mid-70s, and we got our first Japanese John Deeres -
850s as I recall. We were amazed that they started and ran so well, and also -did NOT
smoke when lugged down. And, that was 30 years ago. Those Yanmar engines had very
simple injection systems - but - they were constructed and calibrated more carefully than
their US built counter-parts. One of my sons lives in Colorado and he’s taking on of my Chevy diesel Suburbans back
home with him - an 87. Come to find out that in Colorado, there is a visible smoke test
for all diesels on the road -and it is tested under load on a dyno - the smoke density
measured electronically. But - the 6.2 Detroit-Diesel built, with simple Roosamaster
rotary pump - just like many tractors use, barely makes any smoke at all when adjusted
properly - even under full load. So, hopefully, there will be no problem. But, seems you
don’t want to turn your pumps up in Colorado.

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RodInNS

08-24-2006 19:24:20




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to jdemaris, 08-24-2006 19:00:17  
Cummins PT systems do govern by pressure. However, they are/were the exception to the rule.

Rod



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H. Bowder

08-24-2006 18:01:42




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to carpenter in belmont, 08-24-2006 16:43:51  
Smoke is a result of less-complete combustion. This means not enough air for the amount of fuel to be burned.

A piston under load wants to slow down. The operator opens the throttle as a result. That increases the fuel flow and opens the butterfly valve for more air at the same time.

Fuel volume is determined by the fuel pump pressure. Air intake volume is determined by atmospheric pressure (14.7 psi if I remember correctly).

While the fuel pump can happily inject all the fuel the throttle asks for, the atmosphere can only supply as much air as the piston will pull in; no matter how much the throttle opens the butterfly valve.

And a slower-moving piston under load draws in less air (per unit of time).

Resulting in less air for the amount of fuel in the piston, resulting in less complete combustion, resulting in smoke.

That is why, incidentally, turbo diesels have more power. They pump air into the piston at pressures above atmospheric pressure and produce more concentrated combustible material.

If you can concentrate twice the fuel AND twice the air in a piston you get twice the power forcing the piston down -or thereabouts.

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Bob

08-24-2006 18:06:43




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to H. Bowder, 08-24-2006 18:01:42  
You say " The operator opens the throttle as a result. That increases the fuel flow and opens the butterfly valve for more air at the same time."

Are we talking about Ford Major Diesels here, or where are you getting the "opens the butterfly valve for more air" B.S.????



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H. Bowder

08-24-2006 18:16:31




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to Bob, 08-24-2006 18:06:43  
Don"t diesels have an air valve before the intake manifold?



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MarkB_MI

08-24-2006 19:32:26




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to H. Bowder, 08-24-2006 18:16:31  
I am aware of at least two diesel engines that have butterfly valves in their intakes: Fordson Diesel Majors and certain small Mercedes industrial and marine engines.

However, the purpose of this butterfly is generally misunderstood. It does not serve as a throttle so much as it is a governor. Manifold air pressure (vacuum) activates a servo that controls the fuel pump. This system basically maintains constant manifold air pressure: When you open the throttle, the butterfly allows more air into the manifold, reducing vacuum and increasing fuel flow. Increased fuel flow speeds up the engine, increasing vacuum until an equilibrium point is reached.

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jdemaris

08-24-2006 20:18:08




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to MarkB_MI, 08-24-2006 19:32:26  
There are also others. My International Harverster B-275 has a butterfly in the air intake. It operates the pneumatic governor in the CAV inline injection pump.



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rottenrobert

08-24-2006 19:12:50




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to H. Bowder, 08-24-2006 18:16:31  
There is no intake butterfly on any diesel engine whether turbo"d or not. It will pull in the same volume of air on each intake stroke. This air is then compressed and superheated on the compression stroke. When the piston reaches the desired timing point near the top of the stoke the injector sprays (atomizes) a fuel charge of whatever the throttle setting meters. Under a load the governor opens more fuel and the engine will smoke until the load eases up and the govermor backs off. Turbo lag can also cause this as welll as a faulty pump aneroid which works in conjunction with the governor to open up a little more fuel.

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Bob

08-24-2006 19:30:37




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to rottenrobert, 08-24-2006 19:12:50  
Rotten,

Like I said, take a look at a Ford Major Diesel, which is ONE exeception to the "no throttle butterfly on a diesel" rule!



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RustyFarmall

08-24-2006 18:19:51




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to H. Bowder, 08-24-2006 18:16:31  
Some do. Most don't.



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H. Bowder

08-24-2006 18:30:17




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-24-2006 18:19:51  
OK, well then just substitute "and opens the butterfly valve for more air at the same time" for "while the opening of the intake manifold remains the same size"

And ignore "no matter how much the throttle opens the butterfly valve.



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Coloken

08-24-2006 17:55:23




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to carpenter in belmont, 08-24-2006 16:43:51  
Like others said, more fuel than the air to burn it. When I was reading about Roosa Master injection pumps---When engine slows down there is more time for the port openings to be open and the pump delivers more fuel per injection than when at higher speed. Some roosa master pumps have a rorque control adjustment on the side to adjust this. Thats the little screw on the side. Believe me fellows, don't ask me any more details, cause I am in way over my head all ready.

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Steven@AZ

08-24-2006 17:35:25




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to carpenter in belmont, 08-24-2006 16:43:51  
Not enough air for the amount of fuel being injected in the engine.

Notice that a non-turbo diesel (IH 806 for example) will smoke way more than a turbo diesel. The newer computer controlled diesels don't smoke much at all, optimized fuel to air ratios.



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Allan In NE

08-24-2006 17:05:55




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to carpenter in belmont, 08-24-2006 16:43:51  
Depends on the engine, depends on the pump and how it is set up.

Most of the "newer" pumps/injectors are higher pressure and normally don't smoke unless someone has been in the pump and turned it up.

My tractor this afternoon was pulling clear up against the nubs. Not a trace of smoke.

Allan

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chiefrunamuk

08-24-2006 18:45:40




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to Allan In NE, 08-24-2006 17:05:55  

Allan; Nice picture,do you use G.P.S.or did you practice a lot to get those perfectly straight furrows.? looks real good, nice job, wish mine were that straight Ken



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K.B.-826

08-24-2006 18:19:11




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to Allan In NE, 08-24-2006 17:05:55  
Must be something wrong with your engine, Allan. On a still day our 966 will leave a trail of black smoke hanging from one end of the field to the other! What I like the best is the 8" bright orange cone-shaped flame that shows up at night when pulling the 15 1/2' IH 45 field cultivator in low 4th.



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Coloken

08-24-2006 18:00:40




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to Allan In NE, 08-24-2006 17:05:55  
Can't have that...I'll loan you my wrenches to set it up.



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Bob

08-24-2006 16:50:17




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 Re: What exactly makes a diesel smoke under a load in reply to carpenter in belmont, 08-24-2006 16:43:51  
For one thing burning WAY more fuel with the same amount of air than under light-load conditions.

Of course, if it's tubored, the air forced into the engine DOES increase as the turbo "spools up".



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