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Bratch

09-03-2006 17:52:27




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Can I take a sec here and not offend anybody / make anybody mad?
I don't post often, but read a lot.
I would really appreciate it if folks that posted were careful not to take the Lord's name in vain (includes O.M.G. which seems to float around quite a bit these days)
I'm not a holy roller and I'm not easily offended, but that sort of thing is something that should be done out of respect because it is rather disrespectful to many.
If anyone else feels the same, I would appreciate the support.
This is a GREAT site with a lot of GREAT people.
I apologize if this is deemed a "religious" subject but I think it's more of a respect thing than a religion thing.

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light-on

09-06-2006 18:55:14




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
Thank you for exercising your freedom of speech to shine a light. Nothing preachy, no force, no condescension; just grace. I welcome your respectful and gentle request for a favor as a reminder that I can become a better person in this respect.



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Blue3992

09-04-2006 11:18:27




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 OMG! in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
I always took OMG to man "Oh My Gosh."



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Dave 2n

09-04-2006 10:41:55




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
I'm kind of in the camps of "jmixigo" and "Don Wi" below. I think they have summed up this whole issue pretty well.

In this kind of discussion, a non-problem seems to turn into a mushroom cloud when someone starts telling others what they should or shouldn't say, (like OMG,for instance.) I know it's all based on personal beliefs, but when those beliefs start being "preached" at others, well, that's what causes problems.

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jmixigo

09-04-2006 09:29:57




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
My ole grand dad was a pretty sharp feller; he told me to never discuss politics or religion. I was not too sharp, so I asked why not?
He said that politics and religion were both deeply rooted in emotion. When emotional issues get discussed one is forced to either agree or "be wrong". It's why men and women have unresolved differences, they tend to emote differently.
Logic and reason don't have any thing to do with it.
This entire topic is too close to religion to ever be resolved.

JMHO

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Don-Wi

09-04-2006 09:20:38




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
Odd tid-bit of knowledge not many people know about-- Taking the lord's name in vane isn't saying OH MY GOD!!!!! it's when you condemn people to hell or act like God yourself, (ya know, kinda like some doctors) My girlfreind of 4 1/2 years is a religious major at college so she studies different religions, the beleif structures, etc. She finds it fascinating how no matter how different the religions claim to be, they all have the same basic structure.

Personally, I can't remember the last time I went to church and can't say I really feel guilty about not going. I still beleive in a higher power, I just don't beleive you have to be in a designated 4 walls in order to be a catholic, or religous of any kind. My most peaceful moments are when I'm in the feild on a tractor that's screaming well over 85 decibles (yes I wear ear plugs) and doing what I love- Feild work.

I find it amusing when people claim to say the Bible says this, it says that, but they can never find any quote that actually says it.

Maybe it's just me.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Dave 2n

09-04-2006 10:44:56




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Don-Wi, 09-04-2006 09:20:38  
One of the biggest "revelations" anyone can have is to read the Bible for what it says, not what someone says it says. Don't get me wrong; the Bible is still a wonderful book and guide for living but folks need to use their God-given abilities of thinking/reasoning along the way too.



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Don-Wi

09-04-2006 13:51:17




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Dave 2n, 09-04-2006 10:44:56  
Glad I'm not the only one- I don't let much stuff bother me, but when they start preaching all about how they are right and I'm wrong in what I beleive, well, I'll leave that alone....

I normally try to stay out of religous, political, or otherwise philosophical topics where there is no cut & dry answer.

Give me a busted machine and I can try to tell you what went wrong and the probable causes behind it...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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mjbrown

09-04-2006 08:56:10




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
Oh My Gosh. Oh My Golly. Oh My Goodness. Lighten UP!



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oldcraneguy

09-04-2006 07:52:40




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
Jeez, I hate it when a thread gets angry, one of the best things about this site is in my opinion is that the people are decent, friendly and always try to be helpful. I think the owners do a great job of moderating and i say leave the job to them.. If something said offends you just hit the back button and move on...Trying to dictate what words fellow posters use will just start a fight... if a person truely feels that a post is offensive they should report it to the owners and accept theyre descision after all its theyre site.. If the posts continue to offend the person they should go elsewhere...maybe open up theyre own site where they have the right to edit as they see fit

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oldcraneguy

09-04-2006 08:00:12




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 Re: O/T language in reply to oldcraneguy, 09-04-2006 07:52:40  
Oh by the way what does OT stand for?...I hate to look foolish but Ive been seeing it for ages and dont have a clue what it means...thanks Don



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Helpful Hank

09-04-2006 08:48:28




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 Re: O/T language in reply to oldcraneguy, 09-04-2006 08:00:12  
OT= OFF TOPIC



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in-too-deep

09-04-2006 07:47:54




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
My goodness...I hope there weren't too many brutal enemies created down there! Wow!



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Bratch

09-04-2006 06:17:30




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
Leland,
Maybe you missed the original post. It's not about forcing beliefs, it's about respect.
Sort of like giving your turn signal when changing lanes.
Simple as that. Not asking you to believe what I believe.
In fact I think some of these "older" concepts might be good advice for youngsters nowadays! :)



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Pete76NY

09-04-2006 07:21:34




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-04-2006 06:17:30  
Bratch, maybe YOU are missing the point! The point is that while most of us try not to offend, in this case I do NOT care if anyone is offended!!!! If I were using vulgarity, or attacking you personally, or your beliefs,...that would be one thing...but maybe you are too sensitive? You claim that you are not trying to force your beliefs on others, but to ask everyone to not use a phrase as inocuous as OMG? OMG! Pete

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jdemaris

09-04-2006 06:16:22




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
My opinion for what its worth. Anything . . . can offend somebody, somewhere, sometime. Words, quite often, are just words - and what is more important than the word or phrase is the intent behind it. In regard to what Gene Davis states about profanity being indicative of low-vocabulary - not universally true. Yes, there are some people that seem to know no other way to speak. And, there are others with excellent vocabularies that will utter "Godd*m it" when they bang their knuckles turning a wrench. An intro-course to pyschology will claim that a sane person "style shifts" with language use depending where they are and who with. I.e, a highly educated Ph.D sort of person (if sane) does not spout off with his erudition or pontifications while sitting in a bar-room with a bunch of rednecks. And, to the converse - a person might want to lose his working-class vernacular when in a room full of educated pin-heads. I guess my point is - in this forum of people that I assume are interested in working on old tractors - I don't have to behave much different that when I'm in a shop turning wrenches around other's doing the same. If one was to express offense on the pretext of religious beliefs and Biblical understanding - well? Take Christianity. Seems Jesus expressed concern about fancy churches and shrines - yet they are all over the world? Seems that should be of more concern and a few words uttered with no malice intended. I've known some people in my life that often used "colorful" language that were good, honest, people, and I've met some pretty bad individuals that were Bible-thumping proselytizers.

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Matt from CT

09-04-2006 07:57:20




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 Re: O/T language in reply to jdemaris, 09-04-2006 06:16:22  
I can tell you, I do make a concious effort to "speak" respecting this site's general tone.

I have another website were profanity isn't common, but it's not unacceptable -- and ya can right in a much more vernacular manner.

Pretty much akin to normal life -- I used to work with gentleman who was an evangelical pastor, and yep, I tried to watch my tounge in special defference to his sensitivity. Doesn't mean I never swore, but I wouldn't use a swear to make a point.

I know in business meetings I've called executives on the carpet with "That's a nice load of Bull ____" -- but I also backed it up by a point-by-point disecetion of problems with their ideas. And it was a concious decision to start off that way to snap the room out the complacency that was there.

And although I absolutely don't recall saying it, I've been told I dropped the F-bomb to the publisher in a meeting one day. *That* was just me dropping into a vernacular way of emphasizing a point without realizing I was doing it.

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Fred Martin

09-04-2006 06:10:32




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
Some folks are not very good spellers...it is spelled "Oh my gawd." So it doesn"t offend anyone. Fred OH



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Pete76NY

09-04-2006 05:27:29




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
Bratch, perhaps people who use it are not religious, or do not have the same religious views as you do...I do not see anything wrong with OMG and have been known to utter a GD occasionally, I don't see it as a litmous test for IQ or available vocabulary either.
Starting off a statement with "I'm not a holy roller, and I'm not easily offended" is akin to those famous beginnings; "No offense intended", and "No disrespect, but"...ya just know what's coming next.
I am able to function here with other folks just fine with my belief structure, and dont' feel the need to determine how others talk. Kim takes care of the real bad stuff, and that's fine with me.
There is nothing in the "Yesterdays Tractors" title of this sight that even implies that it is a christian based tractor sight. so OMG! Let's worry about the important stuff, like tractors, implements...! Pete

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Hugh MacKay

09-04-2006 03:07:31




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
Bratch: I've been around YT close to 6 years now. I can assure you Kim will delete anyone who gets very offencive. She has even blocked out computers that this type of language came from on a regular basis. She can't catch it all, so if you see anything that offends you, go to feedback form under misc. at the left of the page. I assure you she will deal with it very quickly. I will also warn you, she is going to decide whether it stays or goes, that is her perogative, the Pratt family own this site.

May I also assure you, if she decides it's going you will privately get a thank you via e mail.

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THEkyroastnear

09-03-2006 20:54:54




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
yes i will agree people tend to use swear words as a form of everyday language guess for them it is. i try to make a conscience effort to avoid that type language sorry to say it dosent always work.even at my worst i do not mis use the name of the LORD wish others would not as well



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dr.sportster

09-03-2006 20:44:17




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
Swearing seems unacceptable still in normal conversation yet blasphemy goes almost unoticed by most people. I notice it myself and dont like it and Im a crude man.



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Gene Davis (GA)

09-03-2006 20:20:58




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
Profanity usually is a mark of a low vocabulary knowledge.



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Leland

09-03-2006 21:42:18




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Gene Davis (GA), 09-03-2006 20:20:58  
Gene how wrong you are there is studys to prove you wrong about that statement .



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37 chief

09-03-2006 20:12:10




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
lI will agree with you on this. If Mom ever heard me saying some of the stuff these kids are saying now days,I would have been chewing on a bar of soap. Stan



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Leland

09-03-2006 18:36:50




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
Bratch not everyone belives there is a Lord ,so as long as the people in the USA have something called the freedom of speach your just going to have to grow up or older and deal with it .



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tobad

09-03-2006 23:27:50




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Leland, 09-03-2006 18:36:50  
Someone just got reported!



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Leland

09-04-2006 05:34:00




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 Re: O/T language in reply to tobad, 09-03-2006 23:27:50  
Why are you hiding jeffcat tobad



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Leland

09-04-2006 04:27:41




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 Re: O/T language in reply to tobad, 09-03-2006 23:27:50  
Toot your little horn there tobad there has not been 1 vulgar word printed here ,did I cry like a little baby bacause somebody called me a dick ??? GROW UP



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Fred Gwynne

09-03-2006 20:44:59




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Leland, 09-03-2006 18:36:50  
Well Leland, allow me to use my freedom of "speach". You sound like a dick.

Show some respect for others.



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Leland

09-03-2006 21:40:22




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Fred Gwynne, 09-03-2006 20:44:59  
Call me what you want it's a free country ,but he should not be trying to force his beliefs on others which is also disrespectful .



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John S-B

09-04-2006 09:40:05




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Leland, 09-03-2006 21:40:22  
Obviously you and Pete are using your right to be oblivious to what Bratch posted. He RESPECTFULLY ASKED people not to use the Lord's name in vain. He did not condemn anyone or tell them they were going to hades. You two idiots are they ones who are too sensitive. Just because we have freedom of speech does'nt mean you have to say anything that pops into your head. You also have the right to remain silent. Just how is he forcing anyone to do anything?

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Leland

09-04-2006 15:06:50




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 Re: O/T language in reply to John S-B, 09-04-2006 09:40:05  
I am not the sensitive on here . To many different people on this earth and we all don't belive in the same things . For example in America we love beef ,in India the worship the cow ,does this mean we should stop eating them bacause they may be offended ??



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Bratch

09-04-2006 06:09:14




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Leland, 09-03-2006 21:40:22  
Leland,
Maybe you missed the original post. It's not about forcing beliefs, it's about respect.
Sort of like giving your turn signal when changing lanes.
Simple as that. Not asking you to believe what I believe.
I didn't mean to start a war.



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CLW

09-03-2006 22:30:52




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Leland, 09-03-2006 21:40:22  
Is it not disrespectful to use bad language around someone who does not want to hear it? I wouldn't allow it in front of my 3 and 6 year old granddaughters. Not saying bad words haven't come out of my mouth but as much trouble as I have typing with my hunt and peck method to cuss on here would be a huge waste of my time.



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Leland

09-03-2006 22:39:33




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 Re: O/T language in reply to CLW, 09-03-2006 22:30:52  
I belive the bad word he is complaining about is (oh my god) not the 4 letter kind .



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CLW

09-04-2006 20:24:42




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Leland, 09-03-2006 22:39:33  
never mind



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ebbsspeed

09-03-2006 18:11:40




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Bratch, 09-03-2006 17:52:27  
I'm suprised at some of the language that is used nowdays myself. I've been very careful to teach my kids not to say anything that might be mistaken for cursing or taking the Lord's name in vain. Might seem insignificant to some, but others may be offended, so I tend to keep my speech and writing as free as possible of those types of phrases.



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Leland

09-04-2006 04:52:52




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 Re: O/T language in reply to ebbsspeed, 09-03-2006 18:11:40  
ebbspeed that is the whole problem the world has went out and changed and most have here complaining have been left behind it seems ,these guys could never live in a larger city where this lanuage is the norm for most people . look at most immigrants that come to this country for example the russians think the F word is a verb and use it 4 times per sentance ,bacause most immigrants have to watch american movies to learn english this is what we have produced so as I said like it or not it's a free country so you are going to have to put up with it . Or have you people forgotten that at one time in america you would have been locked up for using the words shucks or darn in front of a woman .but times again changed so don't act so suprised or offended or holier than thou about this ,after all I am just defending freedom of speach and if you check my posts they DO NOT INCLUDE VULAGAR LANGUAGE EITHER but I respect those who chose to use it and defend there right to do so !!!! After all how many of our men and women have died in the last 4 years to protect that right ???

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Fred Gwynne

09-04-2006 05:18:19




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Leland, 09-04-2006 04:52:52  
NONE. And you don't know what the freedom of speech clause means.



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Leland

09-04-2006 05:32:10




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Fred Gwynne, 09-04-2006 05:18:19  
And Fred if we took this to the highest of courts in Washington ,they would say that people have the right to say pretty much what they want to since speach is protected right in America .



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Leland

09-04-2006 05:28:30




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Fred Gwynne, 09-04-2006 05:18:19  
Fred what do you mean none ?? or are you not aware there is a war being fought now and over 2000 Americans have died defending our rights and freedoms that include speach ?



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Fred Gwynne

09-04-2006 05:50:01




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Leland, 09-04-2006 05:28:30  
They are not defending our right of free speech. We have no danger of the camel humpers taking over our country. They are terrorists and cowards. They have no formal, cohesive military unit that could work together to overtake this country. Only bands of terrorists that can do damage on a smaller local scale.

They definitely need to be stopped and we are doing the right thing, but it is not a war that will affect our right to free speech.

Oh, and as for your post about how this could be taken to the highest courts in the land goes, how about you just practice some common decency and respect for others and save yourself a trip to the Supreme Court.

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Leland

09-04-2006 06:01:35




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Fred Gwynne, 09-04-2006 05:50:01  
Fred You remind me of the ex Iraq leader with a statement like you don't need the supreme court ,show me 1 word I have typed here that is not decent



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Fred Gwynne

09-04-2006 06:10:40




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Leland, 09-04-2006 06:01:35  
You sound like a very angry person. Hope things get better for you. Life's too short to be that uptight.



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Leland

09-04-2006 07:26:20




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Angry person boy if you only had a clue Fred



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Gerry Gallo

09-04-2006 08:50:13




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Leland, 09-04-2006 07:26:20  
Why can't we all just get along?



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Leland

09-04-2006 15:02:42




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 Re: O/T language in reply to Gerry Gallo, 09-04-2006 08:50:13  
We will still get along ,after all if a person stays mad or angry over a petty squabble like this then they need a little help



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