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O.T. Single tire rear semi axles

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Chris Jones

09-09-2006 18:01:35




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I"ve started seeing road tractors with single wheels on the rear axles recently. What"s up with that? What are the pros and cons? How long have they been doing this?




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Steve Crum

09-10-2006 10:15:04




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:01:35  
These seem to be a love/hate sort of thing in New York and Pa. I talk with a lot of grain haulers and drivers pulling freight boxes. They like them on dry roads but with the weather here especially snow and ice, they sometimes end up sitting out a storm until the roads are clear. We had to chain onto 2 rigs last year with 4 wheel drives to pull them out of the docks because we couldn't get salt under these 'drag slicks' so they could get a bite to get rolling.

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Dachshund

09-10-2006 05:55:42




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:01:35  
speaking strictly from the other Dept of Trans part of me - studies have shown that road departments do not like the "Superwides". They cause more wear-n-tear on road surfaces.



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Chris Jones

09-10-2006 08:25:08




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Dachshund, 09-10-2006 05:55:42  
They're blaming it on gas prices and I suppose they're right but road maintance is slowing around NC. I do wish they'd focus on maintaining roads more and building new ones less. They have so many new ones in progress. It was on the news lately that they are cutting the grass alonside roads less often now to save money.



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Don c

09-10-2006 05:16:30




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:01:35  
Back in the 70s I work for a major tire company and we sold a few of these to different customers. One of the big things the drivers liked was they had a couple of choises on the rims, they could get them where the brake drum was open to a lot more air for cooling as we live in the hilly part of the country, Pa. W.Va.Oh. But they never really caught on then, now seeing more and the rims are still letting more air to brake drums.

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jmh

09-10-2006 05:14:34




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:01:35  
How much air pressure do you run in the super single type tires?



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johndeeregene

09-09-2006 21:11:01




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:01:35  
the company that i drive for is now runnin super singles an personnally i dont like them at all. wet road they are squirelly. they dont have the traction on gravel or dirt either. i am not lookin forward to runnin them this winter. johndeergene



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john in la

09-09-2006 19:38:15




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:01:35  
We changed over to single tires on all our trucks and trailers about 2.5 years ago.

Single tires have been out for years but they were what we call Super Singles. You talk about a piece of dog poo. These tires would get you killed because they do not have much traction when the truck is empty. Even when loaded you had to watch wheel slide in the rain. Companies like them but drivers hated them.

Fast forward to a few years ago and Michelin came out with the X one tire. Other manufactures may make a similar tire but we use Michelin.
We use them for weight. A X one only weighs 160 lbs so we lost just over 800 lbs off our gross weight. This allows us to add 800 lbs in load and when you haul max loads every load this 800 lbs helps the bottom line.

These newer tires hug the road as good as duals even in the rain; do not have any noticeable sway or lean in curves. Get better mileage. Have about the same life/mileage expectancy.

Some problems we are aware of is with flats. While we have very few flats you need to watch for nails; even if the tire does not leak down; and get it fixed because the air will leak between the inner casing and cap casing causing the tire to blow out. This has been a very small problem and for us if any at all but Michelin has warned us about it.

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massey333

09-10-2006 13:37:59




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to john in la, 09-09-2006 19:38:15  
Just my two cents,We have been running Super Singles since the Mid 60's and Except for some bad tread Designs(but you learn)they are far and again better than Duals.Better tire mileage and 1/10 the flats.One blowout in 40 Yrs.Alot better stabably on Grooved Roads.I thing 70-80Per.Cent of Fuel Tankers are running Singles for the Fire Hazard.



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john in la

09-10-2006 13:48:48




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to massey333, 09-10-2006 13:37:59  
You have to understand that what is called a Super Single and the newer Michelin X One single tire you see on fuel tankers like Pilot and Flying J are not the same. The X One is far more advanced.

That is one problem with them. People associate them with the older Super Singles and they get a bad wrap from the start.



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iowa_tire_guy

09-09-2006 18:46:36




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:01:35  
They are used for all the below reasons and have been around for quite a few years. They have resurge recently because of some new technology in the building of the tires like making them lowprofile. Probably the biggest reason for their use now is the attachments on the trailers and tractors that keep adding air to the tires if they get a slow leak even while they are traveling down the road. It made them more pactical to use. I went out on a road call last summer for one that had a drive tire blow out. The trailer was empty but he still was more in the ditch than on the road. Said he was running 55 but could not control the truck when the tire blew out. If he had been loaded he would have wrecked.

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Jimmy King

09-09-2006 18:37:10




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:01:35  
I was fueling my Co. 6 wheeler one night last week and a man was fueling a Big truck pulling a grain wagon he had the singles all the way around instead of duals. I was asking him how he liked them and he said he did, had increased fuel mileage about.4 of a mile. He also said they held the road better. The down side if you have a flat you will change it there.



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Jimmy King

09-09-2006 18:25:30




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:01:35  
I was fueling my Co. 6 wheeler one night last week and a man was fueling a Big truck pulling a grain wagon he had the singles all the way around instead of duals. I was asking him how he liked them and he said he did, had increased fuel mileage about.4 of a mile. He also said they held the road better. The down side if you have a flat you will change it there.



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Chris Jones

09-09-2006 18:32:43




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Jimmy King, 09-09-2006 18:25:30  
I guess they're making tires able to handle the weights now in single vs dual setups.



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Jimmy King

09-09-2006 20:09:22




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:32:43  
Yes they are almost as wide as the duals would be, or are as wide they just don't have the space in between. Of course they cost more.



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BigMarv1085

09-09-2006 18:06:43




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:01:35  
They have been in my area 15 years. They were only on log trailers but now you see them on the gravel and sand trailers. I have noticed that some triple axle trucks have single tires on the 3rd axle.



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Chris Jones

09-09-2006 18:29:32




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to BigMarv1085, 09-09-2006 18:06:43  
I'm seeing them pulling your basic van trailers and I'd never seen them before. I live in NC.

Granted when they go to a 3rd axle on the truck (often air liftable around here) they are usually running singles on those "extra" axles. But actually I see that more on dump trucks than tractors.

Back in 1990 I was up in Detroit on business and I commonly saw trucks on the interstate up there that had 4 or more rear axles on the tractor and 5 or more axles on the trailers--those things looked like one long line of axles. Don't know if they were dullies or singles.

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Turke Bros. Farms

09-10-2006 07:27:11




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:29:32  
That is what is called a MICHIGAN SPECIAL GRAVEL TRAIN, we are allowed 11 moving axles at a gross vehicle weight of 175,000lbs.



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Chris Jones

09-10-2006 08:11:09




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 09-10-2006 07:27:11  
Know where I can find any pics of trucks like that. They were impressive.



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Turke Bros. Farms

09-10-2006 08:35:19




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-10-2006 08:11:09  
Yes i still own one! i had 3 but with a failing Michigan economy and rising fuel prices, just no buiding work going on. But send me an email and i go snap you some pics.



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thejdman01

09-10-2006 05:41:09




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:29:32  
Cons:Still not wide spread, if you have a catastrophic tire failure finding a replacement could be lengthy, no duals, with catastrophic tire failure to help limp you to a truck stop or just plain get you off the road without flippig over in some high centered loads

Pros:better fuel economy (less sidewall flexing) lighter weight more payload
better flotation on cement trucks etc (heavy pigs going in the mud)
No chance of rocks getting caught between the duals ie dump trucks(good drivers check for rocks inbetween duals but good luck finding a good driver)
while they help you float so you dont get stuck ie cement mixer they dont "cut through water) and can make the truck a pig and not want to steer. The new tread patterns are better about goign through water and snow but still not spectacular but my biggest fear is having one blow and rolling over a trailer cause no dual. Around here one of the first companies to use them back in the day was klemm a company hauling gas, sort of scary.

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Chris Jones

09-10-2006 08:19:17




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to thejdman01, 09-10-2006 05:41:09  
Do they make any uni-directional tread for wet roads like those Aqua tread tires for cars?

Seems like in todays world running singles is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I'm hearing here control on wet roads and in blowout situations are less sure with singles. If a truck equiped with singles flips on a van load of girl scouts the tire company could be paying big time--unless they can blame it on the driver. But then again we always have risk and I don't think I've seen a truck yet with duals on the front and loosing a tire on the stearing axle would seem to me to be the worst place--but I'm not a truck driver so I don't know.

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RAW in IA

09-09-2006 18:03:44




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to Chris Jones, 09-09-2006 18:01:35  
From what I understand, they are supposed to be cheaper than duals, lighter, and give better fuel mileage.



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msb

09-09-2006 20:10:53




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to RAW in IA, 09-09-2006 18:03:44  
Could be ,but as I saw a truck with singles today at the tire shop, I was wondering what happens when a tire goes flat.With duals, one can usually limp back home.



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Trkr

09-09-2006 19:58:09




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 Re: O.T. Single tire rear semi axles in reply to RAW in IA, 09-09-2006 18:03:44  
Yeah, but when you have to change on of those,you better have a strong back.



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