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LCinIN

09-20-2006 21:01:55




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I"ve been around a lot of tractors and owned a few but I don"t understand the "pony motor" say on a JD720 diesel. What is it, how does it work and what for?




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Glen in TX

09-21-2006 08:15:16




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 Re: Pony motor in reply to LCinIN, 09-20-2006 21:01:55  
The 70,720,730 80,820,& 830 all used a JD made V4 pony engine or many call it SE starting engine with a 6V battery distributor ignition. The R and experimental MX used a 2 cylinder opposed pony engine. Many CATs had the 2 cylinder opposed pony also and the R pony is some similar to the early CAT pony. On oil field and industrial power engines you would see the air starters with a pony engine using a compressor or a service truck with air on it to run the air starter or find something like a V4 Wisconsin or other smaller engine used as a pony to start a big V12 or V16 engine. They didn't have electricity in many remote areas where batteries could be charged so some type of pony engine was used. See the link for more info on the JD starting engines.

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gregor

09-21-2006 06:08:58




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 Re: Pony motor in reply to LCinIN, 09-20-2006 21:01:55  
I've got a pony motor on my 1946 Cat D-4. The antifreeze of the diesel engine is also circulated through the 4 stroke, 2 cylinder gas pony motor. You start the pony motor and engage the pony motor to the diesel engine using a clutch and pinion setup; while the diesel is in decompression mode. This spins the diesel, which gets the lube pressure up and warms the diesel. Pretty neat if you can keep everything working.

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Hugh MacKay

09-21-2006 02:10:02




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 Re: Pony motor in reply to LCinIN, 09-20-2006 21:01:55  
LC: There is still a pony motor of sorts used today in the far north where temperatures go in excess of -40F. It is an air starter usually supplied by the vehicles air brake system. At night or extended down time periods when air supply could leak off, they line them up at a central air supply.

I saw a bunch of these sold at a public auction in Halifax NS about 10 years ago. Mainly big tandem trucks and construction equipment being sold as parts vehicles. Some of them were conventional highway tractors. The day of the auction they had a tire guy going around with his mobil truck jump starting these.

I know a couple of guys bought these for dump trucks here in what we call the south in Canada. Most soon got changed to electric starters. The air starters were almost as much trouble as old describes early pup starts. I know a guy that ran one of these for years in a dump truck. He claimed it was less expensive as one had the air supply anyway for brakes, and the truck didn't require anymore battery than his gas pickup. I didn't know him that well, but his friends called him stonehead. I think they considered him rather stubborn on issues like air starter among other things.

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37 chief

09-21-2006 00:12:11




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 Re: Pony motor in reply to LCinIN, 09-20-2006 21:01:55  
Then there's the diesel engines with spark plugs. The engine starts on gas to warm up, an then it is switched to diesel. Very confusing to look at one side is like a gas engine, the other side looks like a diesel. We have a farmall super m like that. Hasen't run for years, should probably start it some time. Stan



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Bob

09-20-2006 21:10:18




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 Re: Pony motor in reply to LCinIN, 09-20-2006 21:01:55  
The "pony motor" is a 2 or 4 cylinder (depending upon tractor model) little gasoline engine mounted in place of an electric starter on the big diesel engine.

You first started the little gas engine with an electric starter (a recoil starter was also available on the "R"'s), then pulled a lever to engage the starter drive on the "pony" engine with the diesel's flywheel ring gear, and the little gas engine cranked the big diesel like an electric starter cranks your car.

For extreme cold weather, you could release the diesel's compression (and leave it's throttle in the "shutdown" position), and allow the "pony" to crank the big diesel for a while to limber it up a bit, for better starting, while the pony's coolant circulated through the big engine, warming it up, and the big diesel's intake was heated by the pony's exhaust by means of a heat exchanger.

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old

09-20-2006 21:07:11




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 Re: Pony motor in reply to LCinIN, 09-20-2006 21:01:55  
Way back when some of the older diesel tractors where made there wasn't a strong enough eletric starter so they used a gas engine to start the bigger diesel engine. Most where set up to pump oil to the bigger engine before it started so the diesel engine never started dry. Most provede to be a pain in the butt to work with but when it was all they had it worked ok. Now days with the high torque eletric starters the ponys aren't need any more

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