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Leonard Rahilly

10-01-2006 16:11:19

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A recent book on the letter-series Farmalls states that IHC intended the Farmall H to replace the F-12. I have original sales lit that calls the H a "full two-plow tractor," i.e., that will pull two 14" plows.
From a lot of experience with two Hs, I can tell you that their power was marginal for that load, unlike the F-20, which had a lot bigger engine and which, on rubber, pulled two 14s with ease(the large engine provided enough power to make up for the waste inherent in steel wheels; when such a tractor was converted to rubber, it became a tiger). There is no doubt that the H is more like an F-12 than it is like an F-20--it has a fairly small engine that runs relatively fast, and it is agile and easy to drive compared to an F-20 (which was often quite uncomfortable and sometimes a handful to steer--have spent a lot of time on a couple of 'em).

Any comments on the intentions of IHC for the H?

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Ken L.

10-02-2006 16:25:00

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to Leonard Rahilly, 10-01-2006 16:11:19

Here in Greenville Wi. the last thing anybody thought about was putting anything bigger than 2-12s behind an H. An F-20 would pull 2-14s but, not very fast. Depending on which feild you were in with an M pulling 2-14s, about half the time it was in 3rd and there were times when it had to be clutched to get through in 1st. In this area, big tractors pulled little plows.

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Leonard Rahilly

10-02-2006 07:32:35

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to Leonard Rahilly, 10-01-2006 16:11:19

Wow!I wrote my question last night, and already there are a slew of answers! I think I wrote my question because I was just missing the old iron.
Sometimes, I just MUST get next to some machinery (I"m in luck when I"m on a trip and come across a museum full of machinery, like the aircraft museum in Windsor Locks, Conn., or the truck museum s. of Hartford--a quick stop sometimes slakes the thirst). My wife "accepts" this as part of my occasional nuttiness. Is it any nuttier than loving quilts or bedspreads?

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dej(JED)

10-02-2006 05:54:11

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to Leonard Rahilly, 10-01-2006 16:11:19

I agree with RAW. Any H that can't handle 2 X 16" plows has some thing wrong with it. Here in Western , Pa we have some hard sod and I can easily pull 2 x 16's with the H. Also an F12 pulling 2 x 14's is a stretch of the imagination.
I guess if you don't drop them in very far you could plow with that rig.

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edchainsaw

10-01-2006 20:29:24

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to Leonard Rahilly, 10-01-2006 16:11:19

around here h owners have 2-14's or 12's

m owners have 2 16's.... and one had 2 14's

ya we have some tough ground..

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willieinmn

10-01-2006 19:26:30

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to Leonard Rahilly, 10-01-2006 16:11:19

Going from memory here. Have a book with IHC archive pictures, but my brother borrowed the book, can't get it back.
Anyway, it shows several experimental models, with pictures, during 1935 or a bit later. Think the evolution was Regular- F 20- then the experimental "increased power" F 20- experimental F 22-experimental F 2- finally released as the H. I also have a book that claims the H replaced the F 12. Author forgot the F 14 replaced the F 12. Author also states ( in a caption right under a picture) that the C had frame rails like the H & M. he also claims that the F 30 never had 4 speed, so your guess is as good as mine.
Clear as mud, but it covers the grouond. Willie

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BillyinStoughton

10-02-2006 08:36:57

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to willieinmn, 10-01-2006 19:26:30

Like this!

And this!

As for the H being out muscled by an F-12. I would have to disagree. We've got heavy topsoil in Southern Wisconsin, and I have yet to see an H have a problem pulling a 2-14 plow set to half the width of the bottom. If an H can't pull a 2-14, it's got something mechanically wrong with it.

Billy

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Jim West TN

10-01-2006 19:01:25

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to Leonard Rahilly, 10-01-2006 16:11:19

Back in the 40's on our farm in Central Kansas, the F-20 pulled 3 16" and the F-30 pulled 4 16", 4th gear on the F-20 was about 6 mph and could be use for some field work, the F-30 4th gear was about 15 mph so field work was all in 3rd. I remember the dealer in Inman always trying to get my Dad to trade the F-30 for a M. He was told when he brought a M out and hooked up to the 4 bottom and pulled it he had sold a M. Dad finally bought a W-9. Back then the thing just oozed power, When I thoughtI was out of sight I would plow in 4th, that was plowing. hope you all can bear the memories.
Jim

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Larry806

10-01-2006 18:38:21

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to Leonard Rahilly, 10-01-2006 16:11:19

I knew a guy that traded his Regular in for a very late Super H. Less than a week later he wanted his Regular back but the dealer had already sold it. Until he died a few years ago he always said the Ol Regular was twice the tractor the H was

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John M

10-01-2006 18:19:02

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to Leonard Rahilly, 10-01-2006 16:11:19

The A and B, while in the HP range as the 14, not 12 as the 14 replaced the 12, were introduced as a new tractor, the H was marketed to replace the 14, the M the 20, if I remember right.It was all marketing.

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RAW in IA

10-01-2006 17:00:21

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to Leonard Rahilly, 10-01-2006 16:11:19

Actually, I have always been told the H was to replace the F-20. Any H that will not pull 2-16 plow is either not running right or you have some very tough groiund to plow. Dad opulled 2-14s with a C, and 2-16s with either the F-20 or H. At home, the F-20 pulled the 20-16as in third anywhere, and 4th part of the time.

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Glenn F.

10-01-2006 17:50:50

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to RAW in IA, 10-01-2006 17:00:21

An M will have its hands FULL pulling 2-16's around here.(DePere, WI).

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RAW inIA

10-01-2006 17:02:45

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to RAW in IA, 10-01-2006 17:00:21

Misstyped==should have been 2-16s , not 20! Am typing left handed these days, had rotator cuff surgery on right shoulder.

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steveormary

10-01-2006 21:14:37

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Re: F-20 vs. H in reply to RAW inIA, 10-01-2006 17:02:45

We,Dad pulled 2-14"s with his F-12 and in some pretty tough ground to plow. I was too littlemto run the F-12 except for raking hay.

steveormary

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