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Youngfarmhand

11-08-2006 17:05:31




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How much truck is required to pull a 20 foot gooseneck corn pro trailer. Do you think a 3/4 chevy duramax would handle it. Chevy towing capacity is 12,000.

Trailer is a 20 + 5 9k Somebody please explain to me GVW and all load and capacity.




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LBSMJS

11-09-2006 22:04:29




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 17:05:31  
Be sure you have 10 ply tires on,they seem to hold up better than the 8,s.I run a F350 single rear wheel & a 35 ft trailer with dual tandem axle,with a 18 ton plate on pick-up.In our state you have to have plate on for total load & the trailer plate is $10.00 no matter how big the trailer is, unless you have an opportioned plate.



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Ohio Mike

11-09-2006 17:17:20




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 17:05:31  
One thing too many people tend to forget or ignore is power to pull is only one part of towing. The truck you tow with needs to be large enough to stop the load and control the load. I have two gooseneck trailers at the size you're asking about. I have towed with many types and sizes of trucks and have learned one thing. I will not tow with anything less then a HD one ton and tow with caution. It's a lot less trouble to do it right with the correct equipment. Just my two cents. Good luck

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DMAXFAN

11-09-2006 05:54:39




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 17:05:31  
Go Ahead and work that D-Max. If you havent already go to www.dieselplace.com and check it out. This site is dedicated to Duramaxes and will help you with tons of questions you may have.



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VADAVE

11-09-2006 03:48:49




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 17:05:31  
You need to reread your truck spec sheet. A 2500HD with Duramax is rated at 16,000 lb for a goose neck trailer.
And yes it will pull a 20 foot gooseneck trailer. I have a Goosneck 20 foot rated at 19,000 lb that I pull--just don't load it to capacity.



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135 Fan

11-08-2006 23:36:04




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 17:05:31  
Your truck will pull the trailer, but it depends on what you put on the trailer and how far you are going. A very short trip maybe you get carry a little more. You have enough power. Dave



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KEB

11-08-2006 20:24:42




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 17:05:31  
Assuming the 9K refers to the trailer axle capacity, i.e, 9,000 lbs, the total weight of trailer & load can't exceed 9,000 lbs on the trailer axles plus whatever the tongue weight carried by the tow vehicle is. Since I suspect that 3K tongue weight would put the pickup over its gross weight limit, you should never exceed the 12K towing capacity of the truck.

Total weight for the trailer is the axle capacity plus whatever tongue weight the pickup is carrying. Total weight for the pickup is the tongue weight of the trailer, plus the weight of the truck itself, plus whatever other passengers, junk, fuel, etc., you may be carrying.

There are typically three weights of concern. The first two should be in your pickup manual.

GCWR: Gross combined weight rating. The total of the pickup, load, & trailer as rated by the manufacturer. Basically determined by engine, transmission, suspension & brakes.

GVWR: Gross vehicle weight rating. The maximum weight carried on the pickup axles. When towing a trailer, the combination of the truck itself, fuel, driver & passengers, luggage, etc., plus whatever portion of the trailer weight the truck is carrying.

Trailer Axle Rating: The total weight the trailer axles can safely carry. Weight of the trailer itself plus whatever load is on the trailer, minus the tongue weight carried by the tow vehicle.

Licensing requirements vary depending on what you're using it for and what state you live in. Here in Colorado, truck plates are not required for personal vehicles regardless of the weight (may change at 26K, never checked). My F-350 crew cab dually has the same type of plates as my car. If I were using the truck to make money, I'd have to have truck plates on it & would be subject to whatever CDL requirements apply at the combined weight of truck & trailer. On the other hand, when I lived in California, they registered all pickups as commercial vehicles, even the little tiny import ones. As far as I could tell, it was just a way to charge more money for registration.

Some states also have special rules and exceptions for farm vehicles. Your state DMV probably has a web site with either the registration rules posted.

Keith

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Youngfarmhand

11-08-2006 20:21:29




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 17:05:31  
So what exactly is the 20+5 9k mean?



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KEB

11-08-2006 20:27:55




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 20:21:29  
Don't know for sure, but suspect it means a 20 ft trailer with a 5 ft dovetail (making it 25 ft long altogether) and 9K (9,000 lb) axles. There should be a plackard somewhere near the front of the trailer that has the axle & gross weight ratings for the trailer.

Keith



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Jerry/MT

11-08-2006 20:14:12




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 17:05:31  
Your truck will have a Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) of say 20,000lbs. Your truck has an operating weight (truck, fuel, and driver) of say 6600 lbs and your gooseneck trailer has a Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) of say 20,000 lbs and an empty weight of say 5000 lbs.Your trailer can take 15000 lbs of payload and not exceed it's GVW weight limits. However the GCWR is 20,000 and the truck and trailer weigh 11,600 lbs so you can only carry 9,400 lbs with out exceeding the rating. If a 14000 GVW trailer wighed 4500 lbs (and thus would cost less) you could haul 8900 lbs (20000 - (6600+4500)) and still be below the 14000 GVW( 8900 +4500 =13400). You'd be better off with a trailer that had a 14,000 GVW 'cuz you can't use the full capability of the 20,000 GVW trailer.
Now having said that, there is something to be said for having the heavier GVW rated trailer if you are operating in farm field conditions from the stand point of beefier axles and a little more structure to take some of the dynamic loads that you might come across. It's just that you won't be able to use the design load capacity of the 20,000 trailer unless you have a truck with a higher GCWR. Hope this helps you.

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504-1

11-08-2006 19:46:34




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 17:05:31  
I just want to point out that every state that I have driven in (about 40-45) all require that the truck have enough plate to cover the gross weight of the truck and trailer. 80,000# on the road truck and I have 12,000# on the Toyota to cover the truck and trailer. GVW means the total weight of the truck and all equipment.



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Flying Dollar

11-08-2006 19:22:19




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 17:05:31  
I have a 2004 3/4 Chevy Duramax with a allison tranny. Have a 30+5 gooseneck trailer. Three small tractors, or JD 830 and a JD D towing no probem. Love the truck!



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doubletough

11-08-2006 17:49:09




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 Re: Gooseneck trailers in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-08-2006 17:05:31  
3/4 ton pickup and trailer should be a good match. GVW is gross vehicle weight. trailer may be 14,000 GVW, depending on axles. probabley two 7,000 axles so you can carry the 14,000 trailer plus the GVW of the pickup, maybe 8800 or near that. all sounds well but yopu have to have them licensed for the weight you want to haul but should not be greater than total GVW. I have 12,000 plates on my p/u truck and 14,000 on my trailer lets me gross 26000 total, my truck weighs 6500 and trailer weighs 7500 so that is 14,000 empty and lets me haul 12,000 of tractors, I have 30" trailer with tandem duals which may be heavier than you trailer. My 730, "M", and M-H 44 all with water in tires makes me avoid any scales!
David

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