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what exactly is strip till and vertical till.

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Youngfarmhand

11-20-2006 11:52:20




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I' ve been reading about strip till lately and wanderd exactly how it worked. I was wandering about vertical till to, and how they fit into notil.




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Bill in Ohio

11-20-2006 19:43:43




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 Re: what exactly is strip till and vertical till. in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-20-2006 11:52:20  
I am in SW Ohio, Warren co to be a bit more exact.
I have a field that was always a problem with excess moisture. At one time or another, we have had just about everything imaginable stuck in there. It would be just like crap down to the plow sole layer, about 8 or 10 inches. One year it was very dry when we were combining and I got the wise idea to subsoil it quite severely, every 6 feet and as deep as a 100 hp Farmall could pull. Now, when you get stuck, there is no benefit of the hard pan, it goes, instantly, down about knee deep. This 23 acre field has been pretty much useless since. I have collected insurance off it several times. We now have it in a hay crop and it is usually dry enough by mid summer to cut, but hay doesn't really like that much moisture, either.
So, be careful with that vertical tillage, it can bite! Several of my neighbors have had similar experiences. This is Clermont type soil, tight clay, low organic matter and a rock shelf underneath.
No til is definitely working on this farm. Crops are much more uniform and you can get through the field. You may get stuck on the lane, but the fields are firm. My conventional tillage neighbors have combine tracks a foot deep all over their fields.

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paul

11-20-2006 18:58:45




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 Re: what exactly is strip till and vertical till. in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-20-2006 11:52:20  
Well the experts are over on newagtalk - Jim sells strip equipment, but:

Strip till is making a 10 inch wide strip in fall or spring, with 20 inches of unworked soil. The allows some soils to warm up & dry out for planting. You use 1/3 the fuel, 1/3 the iron, etc. for your tillage. This would be for 30 inch corn & bean planting, or corn on corn.

Vertical tillage is a deep, close to 2 foot, very skinny shank that will cut trenches into your field 30 inches apart. This breaks up compaction layer, without creating a new, deeper compaction layer like rippers, chisel plows, etc would do in some types of soils. Water, roots, nutrients, fertilizer can get down into those skiny trenches, which is good for corn. This is only done one or 2 years, then not again for 5 years or more.

With either, you typically drive in the same spots, & till the same spots. This limits compation, and in the case of vertical tillage the soil structure is supposed to firm up & be able to carry wheel traffic much better, yet allow friable dirt that is good for plants to grow in. The soil keeps it's structure by not being tilled.

Both are versions of min till, you don't plow & field cultivate any more.

It depends on your soil type, moisture, climate, & etc. if either of these work for you. Some places it is a perfect fit, others it won't work at all.

--->Paul

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Shep Va

11-20-2006 12:44:12




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 Re: what exactly is strip till and vertical till. in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-20-2006 11:52:20  
Try this link to DMI tillage website, they have a section on there all about zone tillage, vertical tillage, and no till type systems.

We have used vertical tillage and no till on our farm for many years along with some rotation of convential tillage.

Basically vertical tillage machines run as they say vertically. The sub soliers, minimum disturbance rippers with parabolic shanks can pull up the dirt without disterbing the surface and then you can run a no till planter behind it. The concept of vertical tillage is to eliminate soil compaction without disturbing the surface too much that you cannot plant it.

Read on the website, it explaines it better than I can.

Hope this helps

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Shep Va

11-21-2006 06:19:04




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 Re: what exactly is strip till and vertical till. in reply to Shep Va, 11-20-2006 12:44:12  
Sorry missed the link, it is www.dmifarm.com



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Old Pokey

11-20-2006 11:56:28




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 Back for more??..........:-) in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-20-2006 11:52:20  
I am on the same quest for information as you are. I asked this question a while back, though the majority of folks were probably in the middle of harvest so not too much input was had. Here's a link to the question I asked and the answers I got.

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Youngfarmhand

11-20-2006 11:59:40




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 Re: Back for more??..........:-) in reply to Old Pokey, 11-20-2006 11:56:28  
They kinda scare me over their, I've been a hired guy for quite a while and I usually know what people are talking about but man I'm to afraid to post over thier, afraid I might get embaressed



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Old Pokey

11-20-2006 17:11:58




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 PLEASE dont be,........... in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-20-2006 11:59:40  
Dont ever feel embarrassed to ask something anywhere. That's how we all learn from each other. Seriously! Ask away over there. I'm a hired hand. I ask questions that they think are stupid all the time. Thing is, there's allways someone to come along and help me out with a decent answer. Those then, are the folks you learn to trust. The ones that harp at you or call your questions stupid are'nt really farmers, they're just posers. Ask any question you want. Or, if you want, I'll ask it for you and then you can just watch the answers.

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Youngfarmhand

11-20-2006 18:43:08




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 Re: PLEASE dont be,........... in reply to Old Pokey, 11-20-2006 17:11:58  
Yeah I worked up the courage early so far no answers over thier I use the same name over thier if you were wandering I noticed you fo to.



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Old Pokey

11-20-2006 20:16:28




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 Good deal....... in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-20-2006 18:43:08  
I saw you ask Jim about things. That was a great idea too. He is very knowledgable and proffessional. He wont steer you wrong.

I'm Old Pokey pretty much everywhere I go. I do use my real name on farmphoto.com. Here's a link to me over there.



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