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O.T russian birch plywood

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marlowe

11-25-2006 18:36:41




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anyone know of a supplyer for russian birch plywood in wisc. or a state close. it's the only plywood that has waterproof glue and it last forever. thanks




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MarkB_MI

11-26-2006 05:38:20




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 Re: O.T russian birch plywood in reply to marlowe, 11-25-2006 18:36:41  
I think what you're looking for is called "Baltic Birch". This is a very high grade of maple/birch plywood that has thin veneers with no voids. I have only seen it in 5x5' sheets. You should be able to get it from any plywood shop; if they don't stock it they should be able to order it.

Baltic Birch is great for cabinetry, but if you are actually looking for a marine grade plywood, it is not a good choice. Birch and maple do not have good rot resistance. Depending on the application, you should use either fir or okoume (pronouced "oh-KOOM-eh") plywood. Okume is an african mahogany with excellent rot resistance. Again, any plywood shop should be able to get it.

There are companies that will ship Baltic Birch or marine plywood; depending on how much you need it may be cost-effective to buy it direct.

As others have said, pretty much all plywood uses exterior grade glue. The real difference is the quality of the veneers. Common exterior grade plywood has a lot of voids, which is why it is not suitable for marine use.

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Opinion

11-26-2006 05:22:05




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 Re: O.T russian birch plywood in reply to marlowe, 11-25-2006 18:36:41  
The Russians supply the plywood from land that they "annexed" from Finland in WWII and never bothered to return the territory to Finland. Russian plywood is often called Baltic birch. The Finland product is called Finnish. Finland does the better job of gluing and sanding. Phenolic glue will be almost black, a very deep purple, and visible at the edge of the panel. Phenolic is a bit more forgiving of poor workmanship in the manufacture of the plywood. Untreated birch itself rots quickly.

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TomH in PA

11-26-2006 05:07:00




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 Re: O.T russian birch plywood in reply to marlowe, 11-25-2006 18:36:41  
ALl outdoor and marine plywood uses waterproof glue. Some plywood is also pressure treated to resist decay.



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JJ. in B.C.

11-25-2006 22:33:26




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 Re: O.T russian birch plywood in reply to marlowe, 11-25-2006 18:36:41  
Marlowe, unfortunately most suppliers of this type of plywood are located on the coasts catering to the marine industry. There may be boat building shops on the lakes you could try. What are you using the plywood for ?

JJ.



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Bernhard

11-25-2006 22:02:37




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 Re: O.T russian birch plywood in reply to marlowe, 11-25-2006 18:36:41  
Link

try this link. You should be able to find something in Wisc.

http://www.forestryforum.com/



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jdemaris

11-25-2006 19:53:14




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 Re: O.T russian birch plywood in reply to marlowe, 11-25-2006 18:36:41  
I don't know anything about who sells plywood in Wisconsin - but there are many other types and brands of plywood that use the same water-proof phenolic glue as the Russian-birch panels. It certainly is not the only one using the glue. The plywood usually sold as "Eurobirch" is usually the higher-priced plywood of that category - the Russian, and Chinese plywood is sold as a cheaper alternative. Evey supplier that I deal with, for exotic and/or marine plywoods offers the Russian birch plywood.

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marlowe

11-25-2006 20:08:41




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 Re: O.T russian birch plywood in reply to jdemaris, 11-25-2006 19:53:14  
i can't find any one that knows any thing about it in wisc.. are you saying that eurobirch is made with the phenolic glue?or just some. thanks for the help



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jdemaris

11-26-2006 06:40:36




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 Re: O.T russian birch plywood in reply to marlowe, 11-25-2006 20:08:41  
Eurobirch and many others use the phenoic glue. Also - not all Russian birch plywood uses waterproof glue - most suppliers offer the Russian plywood with two choices of glue - the steam/waterproof phenolic, or the melamine interior-only glue type. Comes in 5 x 5, 4 X 8, 5 X 8, etc. sheets. Also offer in "Russian Ultrabirch" with veneers good engough for furniture grade. Baltic Birch, Finland Birch, Eurobirch, Russian Birch - all in the same category. I've never used it, but I know the Baltic Birch is made in the US and is considered better quality than the Russian. Lots of info at places like:>Link

http://www.insidewoodworking.com/lumber/balticbirchplywood.html>Link

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