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Amo in nebraska

11-29-2006 18:10:27

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Was looking through here and read the Magnum vs 5088. Im trying to decide on a 86 series or 88. Im a rancher. So just use it for haying and feeding in the winter. Used a magnum and 86 series. Magnum is like a cadalac compared to 1486. Im mainly wondering about feul economy and repairs. Ive heard that 88 needs trans update kit and the hyd pump is just like the 80 and 81 86 series which is expensive if it goes out. Otherwise them 2 are basicly the same kind of tractor other than the soposedly syncronized trans. Never dirven one yet and just wondered if there was much difference between them except for the 2spd thing. Driven a 3288 which is a glorified 86? Hopefully its better than that. Is the reverse air flow a plus? The 32 Ive driven I really couldnt tell, but I was just pulling a silage wagon. Basicly is it worth ponying up the extra dough for an 88? They are hard to find in good shape so Im guessing thats a positave? I bale with an 806 now...no heat no A/C. If bailing with the wind and the wind is faster than you can drive your black by the end of the day! My eyes dont open up in the morning either very well! Thought about waiting and getting high hr Magnum or Maxum or MX but dont have the cash and have been wanting to update for 3 or 4 years know.

Hope this wasnt to long. Friend just told me about this the other day and havent been able to read any bodys origanal posts...so just flying by the seat of my pants here.

Any info would be great and if I used up more than my fair share of space you can rip me a new one and call me an idiot!

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Gary

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CIH2366

06-10-2007 21:03:51

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Amo in nebraska, 11-29-2006 18:10:27

I've ran many7120's,7130, and 7240. Had good luck with all. Trans no trouble at all.Just keep accumulator charged. Motor only problem is timing gear cover common to start leaking. They said it wasn't out of ordinary but I've only had 2 do it.4 spd reverse is much better. Ones with 2 spd burn a lot oil.They added rings later to fix problem.

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Cliff Neubauer

11-30-2006 07:35:32

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Amo in nebraska, 11-29-2006 18:10:27

We have a 7,500 hour 5488 and a 10,000 hour 1086 and there is no comparison between the two. The 88 series is a much nicer tractor for not much more money but for haying and feeding cattle if you don't need a high hp tractor I think I'd hold out for a Maxxum. A little over a year ago we bought a 6,300 hour 5140 with MFD and a 510 self leveling loader for right at $20,000 which isn't that much more than what a good 86 series with a loader would sell for around here. Our's doesn't have a cab but we put a heat houser on it in the winter and with the canopy it's not too bad. I'd like to have another 5140 MFD with a cab for a second loader tractor but the cabbed Maxxum's are about $10,000 higher than the non cab versions.

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edchainsaw

11-29-2006 19:37:31

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Amo in nebraska, 11-29-2006 18:10:27

haveing owned or leased a 7140, 5488, and a 1586 I know a bit about them all.

yes the Magnum was best (new brooms sweep well) and from my cousin the IH engineer they were most trouble free! the tranny is a funkbro's with some plastic parts but they are OK! OH and the engine is NOT CUMMINS-- its CDC a cummins-Case company (there is a difference)

the 5488 was a stop gap between the 86 and magnum.. it has a "quad range" type tranny that has had problems in higher hours or tough use. and the fan does pull on ALL cooling fans this onw is just infront so you do have to check bearings OFTEN we didnt... lost one!, we got it with 4500hrs and sent packing when bearing parts started coming out the remote cuplers.

1586--- great motor bad everything behind it and under it.. trany needed another gear, torque was out every spring on May 5th--yes 5 out of the 7yrs we had it, the rear end bull gear oiling got us too. hydralic pumps went we traded iton the 5488 when it had 2300hrs.

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James2

11-29-2006 21:42:38

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to edchainsaw, 11-29-2006 19:37:31

After thinking about it a little, I realized that I can remember only seeing pusher fans on Cat equipment/gen sets and some were reversable. The Cat skid steer loaders are all pushers, and if my memory serves me correctly most of the other OEM's were also pushers. But these are not technically tractors so you are correct, and the fan in front of the radiator is not really a big deal except that you have a long fan shaft and bearings to mess with.

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Ron 1456

11-29-2006 19:29:28

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Amo in nebraska, 11-29-2006 18:10:27

The reverse flow cooling on the 50 series was a good idea that was pooly done. They should have used a blower fan instead of the shaft through the radiator. I traded my 1486 for a 5140 MFD and have never regretted it.

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Amo in nebraska

11-29-2006 19:26:56

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Amo in nebraska, 11-29-2006 18:10:27

Trans udate in low hr machine 3,000hr? Could that be typo and serial number? Just confused.

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James2

11-29-2006 21:25:55

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Amo in nebraska, 11-29-2006 19:26:56

If used on much heavy work, the trans would fail and therefore need updated before 3000 hours. If you buy one having over 3000 hours and it works, you can be pretty sure it has been updated. But would't hurt to ask the owner anyway.

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James2

11-29-2006 19:08:27

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Amo in nebraska, 11-29-2006 18:10:27

Yes, the transmission update on the 88's can approach 10K, but only the low hour machines (below 3000) should have missed this update. When this has been done, you basically have the guts of a magnum trans. In theory the reverse air is a good thing, increases air flow because it is better to pull rather than push thru the radiator. But I assume they sized components to account for the better air flow. I don't know how expensive it would be to replace the radiator. I would just be sure to watch the fan shaft bearings, and probably overplay changing the antifreeze. We bought a 5288 with 2400 hrs for $18K four years ago, and have been happy with it. In my opinion the cab is not much better than the 86 series. Cold starting is OK but nothing special. I would have a 110 outlet nearby to plug it in if you want to start below 30F. Ether would work, but we don't like to use it.

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farmboy steve

11-29-2006 19:02:34

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Amo in nebraska, 11-29-2006 18:10:27

7120 transmission went out at 5200 hrs. cost $10,000 to fix. said it was from pulling a grain cart. replaced it with a green one.

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Jack as

11-30-2006 04:10:35

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to farmboy steve, 11-29-2006 19:02:34

I'm not a red fan but been around them plenty and the Magnum was virtually bullet proof. You indeed had a rare one. I spent some years at a good CaseIH dealer and only saw one magnum with tranny trouble and it had almost 8,000 hours on it. Many out there with much more.

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colekicker

11-30-2006 00:30:06

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to farmboy steve, 11-29-2006 19:02:34

You have a rare instance. What oil were you running?? That is the determining factor in most situations.

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430WLPG

11-29-2006 18:56:29

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Amo in nebraska, 11-29-2006 18:10:27

The only thing common from a 5088-5488 to any 86 is the engine, the rest of the power train is apples to oranges different. The power train of the 5088-5488 is the base for the Magnum. Those pumps are pricey, But what isn't? The 3088 is a 886 and the 3288 is a 986 with new sheetmetal and a electric shift T/A

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Youngfarmhand

11-29-2006 18:41:28

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Amo in nebraska, 11-29-2006 18:10:27

I started that mess down there. Looks like a 7120 in decent shape goes for 30,000 -40,000 or more. Your right though a good magnum is a cadillac. That's the tractor I drove when I was a hired hand. If you could afford it I would get a magnum, from the hours I've seen listed they'll run a heck of along time. My dilema sounds a lot like yours. Whatever I end up with is gonna be maintained immaculately so I as I can run it till she doen't have any more to give.

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Amo in nebraska

11-29-2006 18:52:37

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-29-2006 18:41:28

Ya Ive found a 7110w/ loader 10,000hr 2wd and shot interior. They want 25000. Ive been to Wiemans in S.D. which is a lot of trader tractors and saw a 4spd reverse 7110 or 20 go for 28,000. Of course whose to say the tach was right but it was clean as a pin...they might of bought it back also. New interiors dont cost an arm and new paint not quite a leg. Cummins motor is one heck of a motor but thats still a lot of money per hr I think. Got a budy that works for cummins so parts discount, but really dont know much about trans on them. Thought Id head once about the older ones had clutch packs and then they switched em in the newer ones...this one is 2spd reverse.

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Amo in nebraska

11-29-2006 18:22:39

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Re: 7120vs5088vs1486 in reply to Amo in nebraska, 11-29-2006 18:10:27

I found the origanl 5088 question and figured out what an origanal post was. Just had to did further.

Any info would be great.

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