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DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck

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BigKen

11-30-2006 12:52:36

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I've purchased a single axle '85 Int'l dump truck with trailer & backhoe located in Alabama (was farm used). I need to drive it back to Washington State. I think it's under 26k.
Is there a single source I can go to and determine the requirements for bringing it home?
Any advice would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Ken

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Luke S

12-01-2006 15:03:33

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 12:52:36

You guys are all crazy, it's a wonder with all the worrying you do you get anything done at all.

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JK-NY

12-01-2006 06:56:17

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 12:52:36

Be sure that you have proper liscence (sounds like you need a CDL) . You will need to run with a log book. I would look into tempoary tag to get it home, either where you live or where you bought the truck. Then as others mentioned plan a route and check with each state as to their requirements and if what you plan tto do will work.You might have to adapt your route a little.If you plan to run any toll roads ck tolls ahead of time , it could get expensive. The run a t night thing might work but if you get stopped, break down or have any sort of accident/ problem you'll want your ducks in a row.I'd also call your insurance man when you find out about plates and get insurance too. Be sure the truck doesnt have dyed fuel in it and only buy on -road fuel and save fuel reciepts. My advice is try to run legal as possible , take some tools along , make sure machine is well chained down and everything on truck and trailer is in shape.Good luck.

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BigKen

11-30-2006 21:35:03

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 12:52:36

Thanks ya 'all!!
The truck only has 55k original miles so should be in pretty good shape. And I'm very safety minded so lights, brakes will work, and I'll put 6 chains / binders on backhoe, one at each wheel and one over loader bucket and one over hoe bucket.
It sounds as if I have some investigation to do yet and if that proves futile, then I'll put on my old greasy bib's and borrow a used seed hat and head er out!
Thanks for all your advice!
Ken

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john in la

11-30-2006 21:30:40

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 12:52:36

Let me open a can of worms here.

The only place you are going to see a mention of 26,000 lbs gross weight and 10,000 lb trailer weight is in the CDL rules.
The rules for trucks start at 10,000 lb gross weight; and your truck; trailer; and backhoe are way over that.

So now you need to tell us how you will use this equipment so we can give you a good answer.

If the truck will be used for commercial use (you plan on making a dime off it) and weighs over 10,000 lbs you will have to follow the commercial laws. If this commercial use is a farm you will be allowed some exemptions.

So fill in the answers. What is the intended use of said equipment; and remember telling me you are buying a dump truck and backhoe to play in the yard will not work.

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BigKen

11-30-2006 21:59:18

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to john in la, 11-30-2006 21:30:40

Hi John
The rig will initially be used to put in waterlines and develop some drainage on my son's farm (raises horses).
Uses beyond that are unknown at this time, however starting a business with it is a possibility, but not the reason for purchase.
Thanks,
Ken

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john in la

12-01-2006 05:07:29

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 21:59:18

To qualify for farm exemptions the truck must be owned by the farm or the owner of the farm. Since this is your son and the last names are the same you can most likely stretch this through.

Things you need to look at.
A license plate. A Washington plate is only good in Washington. To go to any other state your plate needs to be apportioned for that state.
(Exemption) Most states will honor a FARM tag from another state.
So if you want to get a farm tag now you can; and if in the future you want to start a business you can then change the tag over to a for hire commercial tag.

DOT registration. You will be exempt as a farmer (private carrier) from a ICC MC #. This is for hire carriers. But you will still need to get a Federal DOT # to cross state lines. Since this is a ONE TIME move and I assume you will stay in Washington once the move is complete you are walking a thin line to get this truck home with out getting a DOT # but once you get back home you will no longer need this if you stay in your state.

Fuel tax. If you were going to be crossing state lines you would just apply for a IFTA sticker. This is the International Fuel Tax Agreement. It is used to report miles of each state to pay the proper road tax to that state. Since this is a one time move you would be better buying a 3 day fuel permit for each state you cross.

Insurance. This goes with out saying you will need some good insurance.

CDL. If the truck is RATED at 26,001 lbs or more you need a CDL. If the trailer is RATED at 10,000 lbs or more you need a class A CDL. Notice I said RATED not licensed for; carrying at this time; or weighs now.
A Farmer is exempt from these rules but ONLY within 150 miles of the farm.

So as you can see most of the rules do not apply to you since you are a farmer; and will stay in your state; EXCEPT for this one time move.
My suggestion to you is to plan a route. Call every state you will enter and tell them this is a one time move and what do you need to do to cross there state. Get the name of the person you talk to and who they are. Make sure you have a good bill of sale for the truck showing you just bought the thing and headed home. Make sure you buy fuel in every state.

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Bret4207

12-01-2006 09:40:27

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to john in la, 12-01-2006 05:07:29

John- Don"t forget the farm exception is only good for a max of 150 miles. He"s lost that.

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john in la

12-01-2006 10:10:19

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to Bret4207, 12-01-2006 09:40:27

I thought a farm tag was good anywhere as long as the state honors it. Most will so other states honor theirs in return.

I knew the CDL exemption is only good for 150 miles but did not know the truck tag had the same exemption.

If not he could still buy a 3 day tag pass for each state. Correct.

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jhill52

11-30-2006 16:26:41

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 12:52:36

Has the rig had a DOT inspection this year? Make sure lights and brakes are working. Decent tires. Use 6 chains on tractor. 4 holding down tractor, 1 across loader bucket and 1 across backhoe bucket. Binders need to be on drivers side where possible. DOT would require a CDL class B license because of trailer weight rating. Its licensed over 10,000 lbs. Drive careful and observe speed limit. Might want to put name and phone number on truck.

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nballen

11-30-2006 16:04:00

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 12:52:36

Generally, if the combined vehicle weight rating (and, of course, the actual weight) is LESS THAN 26,000#, and the (single) trailer is LESS THAN 10,000# (leaving 16,000# for the truck) no special licenses, tags, endorsements, etc. are required.

However, if the trailer is tagged for 12k (that is, 24,000#), you are already WAY over limit.

Best advice in this column is...
Plan your route,
Call the state DOT's for each state,
Get the appropriate paperwork,
Be careful!

Nathaniel

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showcrop

11-30-2006 14:52:27

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 12:52:36

I just happened to check with the local office of fed. DOT yesterday about needing USDOT number on my farm pick-up truck, because I had read about it in the Farm Bureau Communicator. They told me yes, If it is rgistered for over 10,000 lbs. In studying the manual for CDL A which I got last summer, I found that I needed a CDL A to drive my pick up while pulling my dual tandem trailer. and thats loaded or empty, with no specification of what's on it. So I asked myself "How far do I dare ask my friend to drive to come get my bad little truck with two sharp looking Fords on the trailer behind it? It looks to me like the days of invisible farm equipment are dissappearing fast!

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Davis In SC

11-30-2006 14:26:30

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 12:52:36

If you decide to drive it, just double check all the lights, etc. Lots of good chains and binders holding tractor down, too.. Don't give them a reason to stop you, once they do, they are going to start checking everything.

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thejdman01

11-30-2006 16:04:16

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to Davis In SC, 11-30-2006 14:26:30

I agree make darn sure the lgihts work once htey find a reson to pull you over and once they start it wont be good.

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BigKen

11-30-2006 13:38:18

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 12:52:36

Thanks Rusty & Luke
Initially it will be used for a farm then later probably start a business.
It's a '89 John Deere 420C (2wd) and 12 ton trailer. Think I'll have the seller run it across some scales to be sure. And I believe the truck is rated at 26k.

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Rustyfarmall

11-30-2006 14:06:32

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 13:38:18

Wouldn't hurt if you got a pair of bib overalls and a greasy old seed corn cap. Then you'll look just like a farmer and maybe they'll leave ya alone. Works for me.

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Rustyfarmall

11-30-2006 13:25:51

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 12:52:36

In Iowa, and probably most other states, a rig like that comes under the heading of "special mobile equipment", so you really don't need to be concerned with the actual combined weight, EXCEPT if the weight is 26,001 pounds or over, you will need a CDL. You might want to check the weight, If it is NOT over 26,000, I'll be surprised. Another option is too stay off the interstate highways as much as possible. Most times the lesser traveled roads are just as good and you will still make good time with very little chance of being bothered by the DOT.

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Luke S

11-30-2006 13:09:34

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to BigKen, 11-30-2006 12:52:36

What are you gonna use it for? If it is farm use go get it and drive it home. They won't bother you, and if they do tell em its farm use.

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11-30-2006 13:46:35

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to Luke S, 11-30-2006 13:09:34

That is all well and good, except, you cannot travel more than 150( I think) miles from your home with farm use tags and cannot go out of state with farm use tags. At least that is what I ws told when I licensed my trailer in Illinois.

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Luke S

11-30-2006 13:54:55

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to JT, 11-30-2006 13:46:35

Listen, you guys are all worrying too much. I have driven all the way across the country on farm tags. If it were me, I'd get in it and drive and not worry about it, if I got stoped I'd tell em I was a farmer and this set-up will be used on my farm, period. They will let farmers slide a lot, at least in this part of the country where I am at. If you are that worried, call the DOT in the state's you'll be going through, tell them you bought this rig and are a farmer and you wanna drive it home, see what they say, I'd say they'd probably tell you to go ahead, if not, at least you'll know. In the end, if it were me, I'd just do it. A wise man I know always told me just keep going straight forward untill somebody tells you to stop, my guess, they won't give you a second look.

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J.C.H.

11-30-2006 17:06:48

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Re: DOT regs - Long Distance Backhoe / Dump Truck in reply to Luke S, 11-30-2006 13:54:55

You have a pretty realistic approach except you missed one thing. Travel only after Dark. Works very well.

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