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26Red

12-04-2006 08:48:29

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Got a dual 250 loader on a H with a pto pump. the loader doesn"t like to work when it"s below 10 degrees. It takes about 20min for the hydraulics to warm up. Is there a tank heater I could plumb into the hydraulic system? Or should I switch to a different hydraulic oil?

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jromeo

12-06-2006 12:35:16

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to 26Red, 12-04-2006 08:48:29

Get away from the petroleum-based oils in cold weather. They thicken significantly. Even the Hy Trans is only rated down to -20 (useless at -10).
My suggestion to you is to switch to a "pure" synthetic like Amsoil (Group 4 synthetic), as opposed to a para-synthetic (Group 3 synthetic). The group 3's are still petroleum based. Try the Amsoil ATH Synthetic tractor/transmission oil. This stuff is liquid down to -47F, not to mention that its got a great additive package for long life.

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Allan In NE

12-05-2006 05:53:29

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to 26Red, 12-04-2006 08:48:29

Red,

Mowr has it. At the left upright, take the hose off at the bottom. You should find a screen in there. Probably has never been cleand.

Drain all the oil out of 'er and replace with any good hydraulic oil. If the PTO pump is any good at all, it should then work fine down to about 30 below.

Allan

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26Red

12-05-2006 08:33:24

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to Allan In NE, 12-05-2006 05:53:29

The loader works, it just makes that old H work really hard to strecth those loader arms, when it's really cold. I checked for a screen this past summer when I changed the supply hose to the pto pump. No luck.

Just thought I could add a tank heater of some sort to make things easier on my dad when he's using the tractor to clear the driveway. I'm going to try to add some powersteering and steps on it for xmas. That should make pushing snow more fun.

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old art

12-04-2006 19:17:54

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to 26Red, 12-04-2006 08:48:29

you probley have moisture in the oil. have you ever changed it.fresh oil will surely help even drain the cylinders to get all fresh

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26Red

12-05-2006 08:21:49

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to old art, 12-04-2006 19:17:54

I"m sure it"s got fresh oil, most of it leaked out when the main supply hose got torn off.... good thing we were on the gravel drive. What a mess. I just replaced it with your standard hydraulic oil from TSC. I suppose I could go try the hytran stuff but I think I would have leaks every where if I used it.

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mowr

12-04-2006 18:41:35

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to 26Red, 12-04-2006 08:48:29

Could the screen or filter be getting clogged causing the oil to need to warm up enough to flow through the restricted area faster?

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rongrong

12-04-2006 17:09:57

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to 26Red, 12-04-2006 08:48:29

dont put gasoline in,put some diesel fuel in instead we used to do this in our 930 case.. it doesnt take much but you will have to use your judgment according to the total volume and this will have to be drained when the weather gets warmer..

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135 Fan

12-04-2006 16:04:11

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to 26Red, 12-04-2006 08:48:29

You should be able to get a lighter weight oil for winter. As far as a heater goes, magnetic might be enough but from what I've read, a water heater used at half it's voltage is good for hydraulic oil. ie/ 220 volt hooked up on 110. They do make oil heaters though. My skid steer has one. Kind of like a block heater. Dave

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JDB

12-04-2006 10:12:32

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to 26Red, 12-04-2006 08:48:29

Look for an oil with a low Pour point

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sd pete

12-04-2006 09:48:20

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to 26Red, 12-04-2006 08:48:29

pour a 1/2 gallon of gas in the loader tank.

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Allan In NE

12-04-2006 09:54:57

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to sd pete , 12-04-2006 09:48:20

Careful,

You'll have the Ladies Aid down around yer neck. :>)

Allan

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JMS/MN

12-04-2006 09:34:21

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to 26Red, 12-04-2006 08:48:29

If the reservoir is steel, use a magnetic heater. But first I'd find the right oil, according to ambient temp.

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26Red

12-04-2006 09:44:20

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to JMS/MN, 12-04-2006 09:34:21

The tank is built into the loader frame- I wasn't sure if a magnetic heater would work well. The tractor already has a external tank heater for the coolant. Suppose I could get some more heater hose and wrap it around the hydraulic tank and plumb it into the system...

I'll try different oil and a magnetic heater first...

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JDknut

12-04-2006 09:10:55

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to 26Red, 12-04-2006 08:48:29

You might try an oil-to-water oil cooler plumbed into the system, the only problem might be circulation. They do have hydraulic oil heaters they use in the construction industry for cranes, excavators, etc. You might try this site; Link

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Don L C

12-04-2006 08:54:34

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Re: hydraulic oil heater in reply to 26Red, 12-04-2006 08:48:29

My guess is the oil is to heavy..... .I wiuld try a thinner weight oil..... .

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