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Drill/tap hole for block heater

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1 Dollar

12-07-2006 16:42:11




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I bought a block heater from Sharp's that is 3/4 pipe thread & it screws into the bottom of the head. The drain hole on my head is 1/2 pipe thread. It looks like plenty of room to drill & tap a hole for this heater. Wha do you think?

From this picture which I took about 30 min. ago it looks like there is an insert. Anybody else see that? How could I remove it if there is indeed one in there that took it from 3/4 down to 1/2? This is the first time that I have seen this. I'll look more this weekend, no time now, homework.

Thanks

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Bob

12-08-2006 11:51:32




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 Good, and BAD news... in reply to 1 Dollar, 12-07-2006 16:42:11  
Phillips-Temro DOES make 3/8" and 1/2" threaded heaters, BUT they are longer than the 3/4" you have.

I know there's quite a bit of depth to that head/water fitting, but I don't have one lying around to measure. The heaters I found are as follows:

3/8" NPT 400 Watt element 2-3/4" long, #3500026

1/2" NPT 300 Watt element 5" long, # 8609659



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Don L C

12-08-2006 02:27:54




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to 1 Dollar, 12-07-2006 16:42:11  
Try the easy way first.....a short 1/2" nipple...a 1/2" to 3/4" bell reducer..... .dont try any thing stupid to the head $$$$$$$$$



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Bob

12-07-2006 19:34:04




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 Think about this.... in reply to 1 Dollar, 12-07-2006 16:42:11  
The threads in the head may have been terribly rusted, and a PO could have screwed a bushing coated with epoxy or other sealant into the old 3/4" threads, forming a seal, where the drain plug had been leaking.

If this is what has been done, and you drill the bushing out, you will expose the rusted-out 3/4 pipe threads.

I am almost certain Phillips-Temro makes a heater similar to the one you have that has 1/2 pipe threads.

If you would like, I can research this, and get you a part number. If, in fact they make a 1/2" pipe thread version, it shouldn't be too tough to get ahold of one, saving messing with the head.

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1 Dollar

12-07-2006 19:46:11




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 Re: Think about this.... in reply to Bob, 12-07-2006 19:34:04  
If you are willing to research that that would be awesome.

I found their website but it doesn't have specific products, just categories, which engine pre-heaters was one.

Thanks
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Bob

12-07-2006 19:56:03




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 Re: Think about this.... in reply to 1 Dollar, 12-07-2006 19:46:11  
You CAN get into the catalogs from their site. They are .pdf, and I'm having some "issues" with Acrobat on the laptop I'm on at the moment.

In the paper catalog, (which I have at the shop), they have heaters listed by size, with photos.

If you can get in that far online, you can see what they have. Otherwise, I will look at the paper catalog tomorrow, and let you know what I find. A 1/2" unit sure would make things simple!

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1 Dollar

12-07-2006 19:58:04




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 Re: Think about this.... in reply to Bob, 12-07-2006 19:56:03  
Yes sir it would,

I'll see if I can find those .pdf catalogs.

Let you know if I need any more help.

Thanks



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TomTX

12-07-2006 19:27:48




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to 1 Dollar, 12-07-2006 16:42:11  
Why not just buy a heater that fits in the radiator hose? Why risk ruining the head just to use the heater you have? I like to keep things simple. Tom



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mj

12-07-2006 18:11:43




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to 1 Dollar, 12-07-2006 16:42:11  
Just make sure you've got a FIRM grip on your drill motor when you stick a drill that size into cast iron!



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Rick Kr

12-07-2006 17:55:28




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to 1 Dollar, 12-07-2006 16:42:11  
That does look like that hole has a reducer bushing in it.

Can you scrape the paint to get a better idea, or go through the hole with a small pick, mirror, light, etc, to see if there is a ridge on the back side. Maybe this would help decide if it is for sure a bushing. A lot easier than tapping.

Rick



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Chris(WA)

12-07-2006 18:35:03




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to Rick Kr, 12-07-2006 17:55:28  
I'm with Rick on trying to make sure if its a bushing. Does look like it might be one. If it is I would try sawing a couple notches in it almost down to the threads and then use an easy out on it. Heat after that if needed.If you releave it with notches and heat is should thread right out. Better than trying to drill and retap esp. if it is a bushing!



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Keith-OR

12-07-2006 17:30:53




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to 1 Dollar, 12-07-2006 16:42:11  
Sure looks like you have enough room there to me, go for it. When you thread the hole use Shorting or lard works a lot better on cast iron than taping oil

Keith & Shawn



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Allan In NE

12-07-2006 16:45:35




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to 1 Dollar, 12-07-2006 16:42:11  
1/2" close nipple and a bell reducer. You're in business.

Allan



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msb

12-07-2006 20:51:09




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to Allan In NE, 12-07-2006 16:45:35  
So add a short nipple to the bell reducer and call ita bull bag.Then remove the whole shebang come warm weather.Heat still rises, I think.



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1 Dollar

12-07-2006 16:54:58




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to Allan In NE, 12-07-2006 16:45:35  
I thought about that but this heater has a horseshoe/U shaped element that is made to go inside of the head so I dont think that that would work but I may be wrong.



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1 Dollar

12-07-2006 17:04:47




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to 1 Dollar, 12-07-2006 16:54:58  
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Allan In NE

12-07-2006 17:09:22




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to 1 Dollar, 12-07-2006 17:04:47  
Oh Yeah,

I see. I thought you were working with a tank heater. Back to your idea?

Allan



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BarryfromIA

12-07-2006 19:21:41




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 Re: Drill/tap hole for block heater in reply to Allan In NE, 12-07-2006 17:09:22  
I truly don't want to rain on your parade, but could that reducer be part of a repair done in the past? Check the hardness of the insert wirth a file or saw. Is there a possibility that there is brazing on the 1 inch side of the picture.



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