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roger in st.lou

01-01-2007 12:19:37




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Alright guys, A nearby neighbor parked a tractor along the property line some years ago. The trees have grown up in the frame and I wonder how long the tractor has to be left abandoned before I can legally salvage it as my own? I am in Missouri.I have since had the property surveyed and the tractor was on my property by 20 feet.




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Pooh Bear

01-01-2007 21:39:52




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 Re: property rights in reply to roger in st.louis, 01-01-2007 12:19:37  
If you know who it belongs to I can't see how you could claim it as salvage. Seems like to do so would be theft, regardless of what the law says about it. Do the right thing and go ask the owner about it.

The Sequatchie River forms the eastern border of our property. It floods every spring. Any boats or canoes that wash up on my property I can claim as salvage. But first I have to contact TWRA and give them a chance to find the rightful owner. If after a certain period of time they can't find the owner, I can keep it as my own.

Pooh Bear

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John M

01-01-2007 15:47:07




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 Re: property rights in reply to roger in st.louis, 01-01-2007 12:19:37  
In SC, you have 3 years to move an item or make an attempt at moving in that time period, unless other arrangements were/are made prior to the owner or original owner.We are currently going through this at work with some trailers that were parked on the property and left about 5 years ago.However, I agree with what Midwest Redneck says: Just ask the owner what hes going to do with it,politely.



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Midwest redneck

01-01-2007 14:08:46




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 Re: property rights in reply to roger in st.louis, 01-01-2007 12:19:37  
Be a good neighbor and ask him what he plans to do with it. If he is a real pain in a** about the tractor then get legal advice.



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Midwest redneck

01-01-2007 14:08:53




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Be a good neighbor and ask him what he plans to do with it. If he is a real pain in a** about the tractor then get legal advice.



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MMB

01-01-2007 13:37:17




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 Re: property rights in reply to roger in st.louis, 01-01-2007 12:19:37  
Can't understand your thinking regarding it being yours without doing the following. If it belongs to the neighbor, ask him to move it over on to his property. Have you asked him that yet? Show him the survey results (regardless of what they mean) and go from there. If it's his then it's his in my books. Why would you lay claim to something that doesn't belong to you.



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John T

01-01-2007 13:28:51




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 Re: property rights in reply to roger in st.louis, 01-01-2007 12:19:37  
Roger, I practice law ONLY here in Indiana and there can be differences State to State,,,,, ,but that being said heres a couple very broad n general statements about property law.

It would be hard to establish anyone legally "abandons" anything regardless of the passage of time on his own property (Im NOT saying yet if it was his or yours).

Next, Surveys are merely expert opinions concening property boundaries and ONLY the common law and state statutes and the Courts can be used to legally set a boundary location in the event of a dispute. In the event of litigation, surveyors could be called in to render expert opinions, but when all is said n done the law and Courts will decide. Indiana has a provision in boundary disputes where one party can arrange for a "legal survey" and provide the proper notioce to the neighbor and if they dont object or get their own expert survey the boundary might??? become LEGAL by a order of the Court.

I can tell ya for sure (the law of adverse possession) if an old existing fence line has been in place for years and BOTH neighbors treated and used it as the boundary IT IN EFFECT HAS RIPENED INTO THE LEGAL BOUNDARY REGAARDLESSSSS SSSSS SSSSS of what any surveys or surveyors may claim..... When doing a survey the surveyor would locate n identify fence lines on his plat and show what the legal description says (in his opinion) the boundaries are buttttt tt that DOES NOT MAKE IT THE "LEGAL" BOUNDARY

i.e. if theres an old and used for years fence line/boundary between you n your neighbor no matter what a new survey would show (like hes on you 20 feet or youre on him 20 feet) THAT FENCE LINE ISSSSS SSSS THE BOUNDARY PERIOD

Sooooo o Id be reluctant to advise you that tractor has somehow now legally became your property, theres too many legal questions n issues concerning boundaries and abandonment and intent etc etc for me to say and besides no lawyer or the litigants get to decide those issues anyway, thats reserved for the Court.

Id say best to just go n ask for it and theres a good chance he will give it to you. If you get too smart or just try n take it or go down the legal road he may take a defensive posture and youll never get it plus incur legal fees in fighting over a boundary on n on n on lol

best wishes God Bless, Yall have a happy new Year

Ol John T (Country Lawyer n retired Engineer)

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2x4

01-01-2007 23:21:12




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 Re: property rights in reply to John T, 01-01-2007 13:28:51  
I have been thru a lawsuit where a registered surveyor found the line to be 3 feet over on me & the plaintiffs claimed that land but the jury thought otherwise & made the old fence the permanent boundry.



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Tom R Ne

01-01-2007 13:16:07




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 Re: property rights in reply to roger in st.louis, 01-01-2007 12:19:37  
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Is there or was there ever a fence there?

Regardless of what the surveyor found, many states have a "fence law" I have seen in Nebraska the "squatter" retain possession of the land because he had had it fenced for a period exceeding 7 years.

I am not a Lawyer so I can't advice you of you rights If it is fenced better check your states fence laws and on the tractor seek legal advice on your states right to abandoned personal property.

I agree with the others if this is a neighbor you have to live next to it would be better to discuss this with them before acting on it.

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well

01-01-2007 13:09:16




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 Re: property rights in reply to roger in st.louis, 01-01-2007 12:19:37  
I agree with bo a surveyor how ever you spell it is just a proffesional opionon, done been there over and thru that dont want nothing else to do with them, if there is an old fence present, the old timers i guess new exactly what they were doing when they set the markers or bench marks what ever you want to call them, as for the tractor if it sat that long the fellow would probably give it to you if you asked,or maybe give it to you real cheap just depends on your intentions and how well you get along with him, i would ask first and if i knew it was for sure on my property i would ask him to remove it if he wants to argue then its time for and attorney if he is a jerk, but on the other hand i had all my neighbors tellin me about a little b414 tractor that sat in the field of an old man and they all said no one could get along with him. For about 3 or 4 yrs i thought he was a jerk never met the fella, one day after work i thought i would stop and ask him if i could hunt on his land and he told me i was the only one that ever stopped and asked him and he said it wouldnt be no problem as long as i told him when i was going in, i would park my vehicle in his drive way and walk in never had a problem with the guy, nice fella one day i gave him a mess of deer meat and he was tickled, offered him a beer and got to talkin with him and told him i was gonna buy a tractor to brush hog my place its only ten acres he told me to dont buy a tractor use mine and if you want you can have that one the b414 turned out the old fella was as nice as could be he turned out to be a freind for life until he passed away a little respect with some people goes along way i know it does with me and the people that talked about him got caught on his place and he ran them off he said all they had to do was ask might not solve your problem but i would just ask can never tell. different people have different opionons about everything just my 2 cents

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Hal/WA

01-01-2007 13:15:03




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 Re: property rights in reply to well, 01-01-2007 13:09:16  
Wise advice. I couldn't have put it better!



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old

01-01-2007 13:02:45




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 Re: property rights in reply to roger in st.louis, 01-01-2007 12:19:37  
In Missouri any thing over 90 days left on your land is yours, but in this issue thats other things that would come into play. If in good faith he parked it on what he believed was his land then its still his and unless you talk to him and you both agree to the line and where it is you can get into all sorts of legal problems. First step is to agree on the line then wrk thing out on/with the tractor and either him moveing it or you buying it etc. Oh I forgot the 90 day thing only works if he has been told to move it. so as I said it gets sticky on things like that

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old

01-01-2007 13:01:44




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 Re: property rights in reply to roger in st.louis, 01-01-2007 12:19:37  
In Missouri any thing over 90 days left on your land is yours, but in this issue thats other things that would come into play. If in good faith he parked it on what he believed was his land then its still his and unless you talk to him and you both agree to the line and where it is you can get into all sorts of legal problems. First step is to agree on the line then wrk thing out on/with the tractor and either him moveing it or you buying it etc.

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bo

01-01-2007 12:28:29




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 Re: property rights in reply to roger in st.louis, 01-01-2007 12:19:37  
Don't think that you can "salvage" it. It could become a legal issue..if the owner thought he owned the property or maybe still does even though your surveyor says it's on your property, then it's not yours to salvage. His surveyor could very well come up with a different property line. Surveyors make errors.
Best you ask him for permission to take it...get something in writing if possible to stop a future problem.

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