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Youngfarmhand

01-09-2007 18:34:11




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What does everyone think about amsoil and its products?




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buickanddeere

01-10-2007 15:17:32




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
290,000 miles on the factory race turbo engine in the Grand National. How's that for the protection of synthetic oil? Engine is souped with more boost and fuel too.



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kyhayman

01-10-2007 09:53:46




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
Id say its ok in a car, maybe in a pickup or highway truck. Personnally, I dont see the economics of it for me. I get the oil changed every 5000-7000 miles give or take in my car at the local 'fast change', they top off the fluids. Figure when I get the car (I normally buy a former rental car) its got 30,000 on it. When Im done with it at somewhere aroung 180,000-280,000 I'll usually get $500-$700 for it 6-8 years later. Figure I got my money's worth. Never had to put an engine in a car yet.

Tractors and off road stuff, no way would I use it. Running in those kinds of conditions, the oil needs to come out. Too much microscopic grit in there no matter what kind of air and oil filters you use. I've never rebuilt an off road engine that ran on any of the 'extended' life synthetics that ran long oil changes which didnt have to have a crank, and usually a cam. Alomst always worn beyond where they can be ground. Regular mineral oil, if its changed right, I usually get the cranks polished 10 thousandths and theyre good to go.

Bottom line for me, I cant see it except maybe in a semi or other high mileage on road vehicle. Cars are cheap, relatively, and disposable. If you change the oil with any kind of rated oil the engine should last as long as the car does. Off road, no way. If its an engine I plan on rebuilding every so often, I sure dont want to be leaving oil in it long.

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Mike (WA)

01-10-2007 08:47:50




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
I was talked into it by a neighbor about 20 years ago, for my 10 year old Toyota that was using a quart of conventional oil between changes. He said he's give me Amsoil free if I needed it between changes. I put it in, had to adjust the idle because it went up by about 200 RPM (as he said it would, due to less friction), and it quit using oil. Can't say how long it lasted, because we sold the car after a couple of years and I lost track of it.

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Dino oil?

01-10-2007 07:49:44




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
Does amsoil have it's SAE certification yet? Last time I checked, they didn't. I like synthetics but don't fool with marketing schemes.



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jerrycpp(WA)

01-10-2007 07:46:01




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
It's probably a good product, but I have a 1988 Mazda B-2200 pickup that just turned 268,000 miles and still uses less than half a quart between 3000 mile oil changes. Regular old Chevron 10-30 in winter, 1040 in summer. I did a cost comparison long ago and decided to stick with the regular oil.



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Aaron Ford

01-10-2007 07:19:51




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
Number one complaint about the KA24E (Mid 90's Nissan 4 cyl) is timing chain rattle. I have used Mobil 1 since 5K and at 120K, still no rattle. The truck is 12 years old.

I had to replace the valve cover gasket recently and found some dark stuff laying in the crevasses. It was assembly lube. Absolutely no carbon or sludge buildup. You could eat off the top of the head. The body is starting to get some rust holes, but the engine still purrs like a kitten. Cold startup is a breeze.

I used Amsoil in my 1985 Cavalier and drove it to 270,000 miles. Most Cavaliers in the junkyards had less than 80K on 'em. I cannot say for certain that the synthetic oil is prolonging the life of my vehicles, but I won't switch now. My luck has been too good. I did not try the 25K oil change schedule. I stayed with the manufacturers recommendation, just used the Amsoil. It is more expensive, but less so than having an engine replaced.

Let's go Mountaineers,

Aaron

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dej(JED)

01-10-2007 05:07:55




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
I run a lubes testing lab and I have seen the testing results from all of them. The synthetics are the best performers. To run an oil beyond 7 or 8000 miles is at best risky. Condensation and fuel dilution alone will get you eventually.



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davpal

01-09-2007 22:34:00




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
Amsoil is better by light years and I will tell you why. I change my oil every 25,000 miles. I change one filter at 12,500 miles and add one quart at the time. My car has 187,000 miles, Lincoln Mark VIII and it only burns about 1 quart in the 12,500 mile time so it works. This means I put in 6 quarts and add one in 25,000 miles with two filters. I spend 3.50 each on fram filters and I spend $6.00 dollars a quart on my oil and use 7 quarts. So my 25,000 miles of driving cost me roughly $50.00 bucks. Now if I still changed my oil like I used to before I learned about motor oil I would have changed my oil 8 times in the same time period. I would have bought 8 filters and 48 quarts of oil at $2.00 a quart for the regular stuff. Now I would have spent $124.00 dollars on oil, had to be under the car 8 times instead of 2 and I also have to dispose of 12 gallons of motor oil instead of 2. Not only is running amsoil economically beneficial, it is also much more enviromentally friendly. By the way the motor looks brand new inside, runs like the day I brought it home and will only use one quart of oil in 12,000 plus miles. It can still run a hi 14 second quarter mile. The motor also cold starts better and gets a little more consistant gas mileage. Now if I went to the quick oil change and paid $25 bucks for each time you would be looking at $200 dollars in the same time. Oil has come light years and it has to do with molecular breakdown, not because it has been in the car 3000 miles. The synthetics do not break down nearly as fast and only need to be filtered. If all the people in the world would stop thinking like it is 1940 we could all save money and a heck of a lot of wasted oil.

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Eric in IL

01-10-2007 05:06:15




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to davpal, 01-09-2007 22:34:00  
I have used Amsoil for about 15 years. I think they have a good product. I do have some dislikes about their marketing strategy though. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed it seems they use a "pyramid" type marketing structure. It seems to me a portion of any sale that a dealer on the bottom of the ladder makes ends up in somebody"s pocket who is higher up the ladder. I don"t understand why a dealer higher on the ladder should proffit for sitting on their duff. Anyone else notice this, or is it just me?

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davpal

01-10-2007 22:20:23




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Eric in IL, 01-10-2007 05:06:15  
It is for sale at two auto parts stores within ten miles of me. I buy it there (carquest) or I have several friends that sell it. I have bought it from a lot of individuals. I would rather give my neighbors a few bucks than the Sam Walton family every day. If you sell a quality product people will come to you to get it, hence, Amsoil. It is a specialty product and for that reason it is not sold at every gas station in every town. Kind of like a Big Johns Steak and Onion sandwitch. There is not one in every town, but it sure is worth the drive!

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Eric in IL

01-11-2007 04:46:26




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to davpal, 01-10-2007 22:20:23  
I used to be a dealer for Amsoil. I was "signed up" by a friend at work who was also a dealer. I was charged a yearly fee to become a dealer. However, as a dealer I got my oil at dealer cost so I saved $$ in the long run. Dealers get "commission credits" for products they buy from Amsoil. At the end of the month Amsoil paid its dealers for the commission credits. UNLESS the dealer who signed you up had made a purchase from Amsoil during that month. In this case your commission credits went to him. So people like me, who had not signed up subordinate dealers, rarely saw any return on our commission credits.

Some people like Pyramid skeems and some don't. Put me in the group that don't.

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JDB

01-10-2007 10:50:17




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Eric in IL, 01-10-2007 05:06:15  
Noticed that too. Good or bad product, I don't care for pyramids. Have thought about trying their oil but am waiting to put it in a new engine, not one with 100k on it.



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buickanddeere

01-10-2007 15:13:25




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 Pyramid Re: Amsoil in reply to JDB, 01-10-2007 10:50:17  
Pyramid, right where I work. Co-Workers and myself work and make company run. The bosses and office staff sit on thier *sses and get paid for what I do.



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fixerupper

01-09-2007 20:49:36




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
Well, I have one near side-by-side comparison, if I want to call it that and it's by no way scientific, but my brother-in-law bought a new 1086 in 1978 and I bought one a couple of months later. Both of them had about the same useage on livestock farms grinding feed, pulling wagons and doing a lot of field work. Both of us take very good care of our machines. He used synthetic oil and it was Amsoil for awhile but I don't know if he used it for long or not. I do know it was synthetic for most of the life of the tractor. I have always used mineral oil purchased from the dealer I bought the tractor from. We both did a complete overhaul at 5000 hours and then again at around 10000 hours. At the second overhaul he had to have the crank ground, the cam was worn past specs, and the oil pump, which was new at 5000 HRS had to be replaced. The crankshaft on my 1086 showed no wear and the camshaft had about 35% left so I re-used it. The oil pump was the origional one but it did need to be replaced. My 1086 now has a little over 14000 hours and I don't have to add oil between changes and the oil pressure runs about 40 at a hot idle. Was the oil that I used better stuff? I don't know. It could have just been the luck of the draw. Jim

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buickanddeere

01-09-2007 20:11:17




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
No wonder oil or additive will repair or extend the life of machine with wornout or failing parts. Its all to common to have somebody with a clunker that's hinting it's going to be trouble. The owner fills her up with synthetic. Then a few miles or hours later when the clunker blows up. The dumb *ss owner blames the synthetic oil for the failure. Amsoil, Mobile 1, Royal Purple or Lubrication Engineers are all top notch. Not certain about Shell synthetic, however their mineral oil is 2nd to no other mineral oil. Synthetics are required most in extreme cold, extreme heat/tubo applications or in high stressed racing engines.

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Bob Nelson

01-09-2007 19:47:20




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
Amsoil is a good product. I've been using it in my F150s for 6 years. Appears to improve gas mileage about .5 mpg and gives great protection on cold starts here in Minnesota. But there are lots of great oils out there. And it depends on the application. May not be a good choice for an old Ford tractor. Put Mobil 1 0W-30 in my 9N for cold starts outside. Worked great for that but then seals/gaskets started leaking. I don't blame Mobil 1 but think any synthetic would have done the same thing. I would only use synthetics in sophisticated applications. Went 250,000 miles in a VW Golf using Mobil 1. Can't complain about that.

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Walt Davies

01-09-2007 19:40:24




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
I always use known brands of stuff they are usely lower in cost and do just as good a job as the so-called other stuff. I have never seen anything yet that would get me pay $6 to $8 buck a quart for oil.

I drove my Saab sonnet for over 350,000 miles on nothing but regular brand oil and never had any trouble with it.

Walt



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thejdman01

01-09-2007 18:56:00




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
Personally, I used them and think they are one of the leaders in synthetics, however, I wouldnt overlook mobil 1 or say rotella synthetic (diesel oil) etc.



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Wisconsin Cowman

01-09-2007 18:42:53




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Youngfarmhand, 01-09-2007 18:34:11  
Junk



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KEB

01-09-2007 19:35:10




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Wisconsin Cowman, 01-09-2007 18:42:53  
Why???

When people make statements about something being good or bad, it's hard to give them much credibility unless there's some rationale or data behind the statement.

Thanks,

Keith



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petetx

01-09-2007 20:21:58




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to KEB, 01-09-2007 19:35:10  
these products are all good i have a 93 GMC turbo diesel 180,000 still runs great use royal purple
these are not junk when i worked in the plant we had turbines and compressors that ran hi rpm,s 36000 + used synthetics any thing else voided the warranties seen them run for extended periods with no wear when taken down for bearing checks.



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Bob

01-09-2007 21:04:45




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to petetx, 01-09-2007 20:21:58  
My 1994 Chevy turbodiesel is at just under 200,000 miles, and has been forced to tolerate cheap WaldoWorld 15-40 for much of it's life, and is still running well.



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Flat Ulant

01-10-2007 07:01:44




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 Re: Amsoil in reply to Bob, 01-09-2007 21:04:45  
I'm still running it in my Pinto and Granada.

The seats are a little tattered and the Earl Shieb paintjob is on it's third coat on the Pinto but they are still going strong.

Can't really figure why the ladies stopped going out with me but I've got some miles on my cars.

Both cars are at the shop right now something about the rubber hoses or other parts that have been failing, on one and those pesky electrical, and plastic stuff on the other.

The one mechanic said if I can get the granada to a "carb" man over in the other county I might have a chance of driving it again.

The oil's still good though.

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