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4020 update...........for what it's worth

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Raleigh boulwar

01-17-2007 14:20:50




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This is for all who have participated in helping me with this and has been patient with me and all my questions. Please if there is any of you who are testy or offend cause of this post, please just ignore.

I talked with the dealer with the tractor with the leaky head gasket and he tells me he is going to go ahead and fix this problem. He also said he will get the dyno fixed and calibrated to run it on it again. If he can't get the dyno fixed he will take the tractor to his other stores to get it dynoed properly. Now that being said it will cost me more for the tractor, it will no longer be $8,000.00. Not sure if I am going to buy it or not. Just don't know yet....the machine tach hour meter reads 9000 hours.....

Now like I sad before Please, I you get offend by me keeping others informed don't read it and don't post to it. This is for guys and gals who have given extensive advice to my questions, just out of curtsey

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farmer boy 2

01-18-2007 13:27:09




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-17-2007 14:20:50  
I would say to buy the 4020. I've been reading most of this and if the engine is okay then really it wouldn't be that bad of tractor. We have 2 Allis's and both pop out of 3rd gear and once or twice out of 2nd gear. It's not that big of thing ,you just have to push good and hard on the gear shift with you hand or with your foot. You can just about always hold it even with a 320 bu. manure spreader behind you. It's all about getting used to it, it would just take a bit of time

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Hurst

01-18-2007 19:09:01




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to farmer boy 2, 01-18-2007 13:27:09  
I would be leary of holding them into gear. That has been known to cause the forks to wear pretty badly. The proper way to fix it is to get everything back to spec (forks and shifter), then if that doesn't do the trick, it's time to split her and replace some gears and collars normally. If it doesn't pop out of gear very easily, then you may get by with holding it in for a while, but it is not very good on the shifter forks.

Hurst

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Raleigh boulware

01-18-2007 11:43:27




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-17-2007 14:20:50  
How do you post pictures on here?



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Robert Searcy

01-18-2007 10:51:06




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-17-2007 14:20:50  
I have been in the same dilema as yourself, trying to find a newer tractor than what I had. I have been looking at the 3020 Power Shift, D19 Allis, Farmall 656, etc..... ...not quite as large of tractor as you but still looking for something something more modern.

I found a 560 Diesel with a schwartz wide front, T/A replaced, new clutch, new brakes, 656 square fenders, only thing I could find wrong with it was tires. they would make good ones for pulling but not for daily use pretty far gone.

It has an oring leaking under the seat so i might have to replace a couple of those.

It doesnt have nice shifting trannie like the PS Deere but I just couldnt spend the extra 4K to 8K for that rught now, so I went with the Farmall.

Incidently this tractor was a diesel and shows 5K hours, hour meter was working and tractor seemed to be in that range by the looks. ITs very clean, great sheet metal, external batteries, all glow plugs good, runs good.

You will know a good tractor when you find it. You can usually tell by the care and condition and history from a private party. I bought it from a retired farmer.

My suggestion would be patience, look at lots of them and dont limit yourself to one particular tractor unless you JUST HAVE TO HAVE A 4020.

robert

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Raleigh boulware

01-18-2007 11:03:45




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-18-2007 10:51:06  
Well I use to look at alot of different brand machines and found my self limiting it to just one. I had bigintrest in this Allis D19 until I heard how bad the transmisions are. I liked the Massey 1100 as well. I had a buddy who use to wheal and deal around with them ol Farmall's He had 656, and a 806 Farmall, I know the 806 had problems with the power steering or the hydrolics. It did not have the diff lock either. So I really did not pursue either of them.

I decided I am going to take my time. I mean this tractor down in south Georgia might turn out good and i still not buy the thang, It sounds from talking to th mechanic that it is jam up and want be that epensive to fix....I think regardless if I buy it or not it would not hurt to make a 5 hour drive to see the head off.

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Hurst

01-18-2007 11:27:03




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-18-2007 11:03:45  
Not sure what gave you the idea that the transmission was "bad" in the D19. They were strong transmissions, were the same ones that were used on the early 190xts that would put out over 100 hp. The problem arose when they were abused. They did not take to abuse very well at all. People would try to shift them on the go, not wait for the transmission to stop spinning before shifting, and all of these leading to GRINDING GEARS... the biggest no no in the allis book pretty much. They would hold strong, but once those splines were worn down some, they could get to start popping out of gear. Not trying to bash you, just would hate for someone to have any confusion on allis tractors. They are too great of machines to be confused about lol. Good luck with your search. I must say, 5 hours is a bit of a drive, sounds like you really like this tractor. You know you're going to have to post some pictures when you bring it home!

Hurst

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Raleigh boulware

01-18-2007 07:15:35




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 More update..... in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-17-2007 14:20:50  
Well these folks move FAST!!! I mean REALLY fast! they already have the head off!!!! They had the machinest come by and inspect the head and valve train and there was almost no warpage with the head. They measured it with a filler guage and the machinest said it was fine.
As for the cylinder and liners had siad it was a little carbon at the top but no significant ridge. He said for me to come down and look at it and take photos for documentation. Even though this is a 4 1/2 hour drive, it is probebly worth it for me to go down and see all this and take pictures this weekend.

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Mike M

01-18-2007 07:45:00




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 Re: More update..... in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-18-2007 07:15:35  
Take an inside mic with you and measure the inside for wear. Not sure what the tolerance should be on those with a diesel. You may be able to go up to .003 wear ? anything under this should be real good. Also look for an even coating of the same colored carbon all over the top of the piston this is good. As any cleaned off (like shiny wet ) areas indicate oil coming up past. I wonder if those head bolts were tight when they tool it apart ? It also sounds like they are trying to their best to do right by you and this is more than you will get off a private sale.

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Raleigh boulware

01-18-2007 08:11:12




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 Re: More update..... in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2007 07:45:00  
Yes it really sound like they are trying to help. I guess i can go to an autozone and get me a micrometer to make some measurements while back down there.
Like I said it is 4 1/2 hour drive, but just might be well worth it.



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MH

01-18-2007 04:39:26




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-17-2007 14:20:50  
Raleigh,
Let the dealer fix that 4020, see what he wants after the fact. If you don't like the price just walk away. Another one will come around & you will find the right one for you. Keep us updated.
Matthew



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Clarkbug

01-17-2007 17:29:22




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-17-2007 14:20:50  
Hello Raleigh.

Just remember there are a bunch of these on the market in case the dealer finds stuff in there that you dont like to see.

I got my Fastline yesterday, and in the first 15 pages or so I have found several 4020's (or other equivalents in terms of size/HP) for sale.

So just keep looking, and dont be afraid to let something pass. Its only a good deal if you think its a good deal.

~Bug

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IaGary

01-17-2007 15:24:28




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-17-2007 14:20:50  
With that head off they should be able to tell lots of things for you.

Has it been overhauled or doesit need to be overhauled are just a couple.

I about bought a 966 back in 78. I asked them to put it on the dyno cause dad had a strong 966 and if I was gonna pull the same equipment I needed the HP.

It only had 75 Hp and there rated at 105 or so.

I didn't buy.

Keep at them till you get what you want.

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Raleigh boulware

01-18-2007 08:20:38




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to IaGary, 01-17-2007 15:24:28  
Well I am debating as to wheather to go down there or not...If I did go,I wish I knew how to post the photos on here...



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Hurst

01-17-2007 14:43:13




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-17-2007 14:20:50  
I know what you are going through. Not much help with Deere, I am an Allis man by blood and a Ford man because thats what we run mostly. You should have seen some of the stuff people told me when I kept asking about tractors trying to find the right one. It was around 2 years ago and I was a 15 year old boy at boarding school on here asking about different tractors. I never knew there were so many grumpy people on this forum (of course that number is greatly outweighed by the nicest of nice men). Long story short, I enjoy helping other and that is why I come here, no matter how repetative the questions may seem, but some people just have to find someone to feed off of to make themselves feel better... It's a shame that there are people like that, but the good news is that there are a lot more nicer people than angry people. Good luck with your search and I am sure that you will end up happy with what ever you want. I love my Allis 7000 that I it took me a year to get down to, even though I have had to do a lot more work than I was planning, but I also have learned a lot about hard work, determination, and wrench turning too, not too bad for a "kid" (as I would be called sometimes, just trying to waste other people's time) like me in highschool I don't think... Best of luck!

Hurst

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Raleigh

01-18-2007 08:16:10




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Hurst, 01-17-2007 14:43:13  
Man I remeber you. we talked back and fortha bout getting an allis D19 tractor. Boy the sure are cheepr than this deere paint. I came so close to getting one too, until I heard the horro stories about the tranny poping out of gear going don hill.

So man what have you been doing with your machine? If I remember correctly you were doing some bushhogging...is that correct? Have you run into any SCARY situations since you'v had you tractor?

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Rick Kr

01-17-2007 19:04:29




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Hurst, 01-17-2007 14:43:13  
Hurst,

It is because of all the posts you and a few others answered that I bought my 7000 2 months ago.

I always thought this board was to discuss topics and help others, and if you didnt like the post you just went to the next one. Not too many grumpy people out here. Probably a little before your time was "the Real Ron" he was trully grumpy.

Dont worry about being young, the guy I got my 7000 from told me I looked just like his grandson. At 37 I dont look young, I kinda though maybe it was him that looked old!!!

Rick

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Allan In NE

01-17-2007 14:36:53




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-17-2007 14:20:50  
Heck Raleigh,

What the heck ya talking about? I'm kinda enjoying you trying to find your tractor.

Post away, Buddy! :>)

This is a good thing. Now the exploritory surgery can be on his nickel. If it needs an engine, he can put it in way cheaper than you ever could.

Allan



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massey333

01-17-2007 16:18:03




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Allan In NE, 01-17-2007 14:36:53  
Allan,not to be pickey but he said the Price wasn't going to be the same now.The Dealers now(at least the ones we know of)Charge the sales dept.the same price as you and I would pay to have the same work done.This then comes back onto the final sales price.The Owners charge the sales Division for Trucking,Cleanup,any Repairs or Parts and then IF the sales Prices don't recoup that money Heads DO ROLL.Stupid but if each Div.doesn't pay his full share then NEW People are brought in.

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Mike (WA)

01-18-2007 08:35:58




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to massey333, 01-17-2007 16:18:03  
The departments can gleefully charge each other till the cows come home, but in the final analysis, the tractor is worth what somebody will pay for it, and eventually has to be priced accordingly. I suppose by everybody being accountable for a portion of the "cost-in", then they can figure out who to blame if they end up eating part of it. Ah, corporate America- I got out of it 10 years ago, and don't miss it a bit. Self employed now, and the harder I work, the more I make. No unions jacking up my wages, or annual cost of living increases, but I'm fine with it.

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massey333

01-18-2007 10:02:47




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Mike (WA), 01-18-2007 08:35:58  
Mike,you and Allan are 100% right,but what I said is right too,however I didn't say it quite right.We still have some inside ties,so get to hear the Horrow stories too.The new-big dealerships charge the sales departments for everything(Trucking,cleanup,Parts,Repairs)FULL Retail prices.Then the sales HAS TOO SELL above that Amount or there is he-- to pay,there is no Absorbing of Money among Departments.A lot of the times the only way-time it is sold is at the Annual Auctions.Allan was right when he said in letting the dealer fix it right or just walk away if they won't.

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E.B. Haymakin'

01-17-2007 19:35:12




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to massey333, 01-17-2007 16:18:03  
Your right Massey 333, I work for a company that is fascinated by "billing" the other divisions within the company for work. The last job I had also did that-fire truck dealer. All of the tractor dealers do it-big business got to squeeze that nickel, or engineer that tax write off. I don't know, but wouldnt they still have to pay those employees if they didnt have any work to do. Every where I worked it is treated as if the company lost money if an employee was doing work for the company-it baffled me.....

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Allan In NE

01-17-2007 16:36:01




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to massey333, 01-17-2007 16:18:03  
Yes,

That's my point. If it just takes a $500 head gasket job, fine. We pay another $500.

But if it comes back with a new $7K motor in it, the lad can then just walk away from this white elephant.

As long as he doesn't buy the tractor ahead of the repair process, he comes out a winner either way. No more leak or still looking for a different tractor.

Allan



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MSM

01-17-2007 14:32:53




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 Re: 4020 update...........for what it's worth in reply to Raleigh boulware, 01-17-2007 14:20:50  
Everything being said he should be able to fix the tractor(replace headgasket) for the $500 he knocked off originally,which should put you back at the original asking price. 9000 hrs isn"t out of line for a 35+ year old tractor.



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