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jc

01-20-2007 12:35:35




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The current survey question on this site: Is it worth more if you paint a tractor? well to me the worth is on the inside, but have also found that you can expound until you are blue in the face about service and reliability, but if it don't look pretty it's a hard(not imposible)sell.
I have had people looking at a fresh paint job and remark that"It sure has been taken care of". My question of the day is: What is the shiney material that I see on equipment that has been cleaned up but not painted? I have seen this a various times and once at a farm auction where all the equipment had been done this way. I saw a Belarus 250 at a sale today that brought it to memory. I would call it a shelac,varnish,or clearcoat material.

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B-maniac

01-21-2007 07:29:49




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 Re: Survey says in reply to jc, 01-20-2007 12:35:35  
Human nature is gonna win out every time on this one. For every 5 of you that will bid higher if original there only has to be 0ne that likes shine to out bid you. Sometimes the thinking is that if they didn't take care of the exterior condition that everybody sees then they sure didn't do any better to the internals. Right or wrong , that's the way it is. Personally when I look for one to restore or buy for myself , I won't buy someones cobbled up paint job. And believe me most of them are just that. Give me "straight tin" , "good rubber", and "complete" and the rest will follow. Throw out any of those and then the mechanicals will be suspect too. Now , on the other hand , if it is an expo paint job then it's probably good all the way through because no one is gonna spend $3000 to paint a turd.

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Gary from Muleshoe

01-20-2007 17:56:57




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 Re: Survey says in reply to jc, 01-20-2007 12:35:35  
It's a well known fact that if you paint it green and put a JD sticker on it the price will at least double. LOL



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Ohio Mike

01-20-2007 17:27:29




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 Re: Survey says in reply to jc, 01-20-2007 12:35:35  
We sold two tractors at auction few years back. One had new long block, new rear tires, new batteries, rebuilt pump and new injectors. Sheet metal average, paint fadded. Solid tractor ready to go long time. Couldn"t hardly get anything out of it people just wouldn"t bid. The other tractor was ready for overhaul, very tired but had good paint and shinned like a new nickle. Tires ok but far from new. People was going after it like it was one of a kind or something. We told the true condition of both tractors as each was up for bid. I really beleave the shine blinds most buyers.

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Dave 2N

01-20-2007 16:45:02




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 Re: Survey says in reply to jc, 01-20-2007 12:35:35  
If I'm interested in a tractor and find it recently painted when I go to see it, I turn around and run the other way. Let me take care of any mechanical issues and then I'll paint it myself--maybe.

Two problems with painted tractors:

1-Some folks automatically think that painting should quadruple the price.
2-Too many tractors are painted in hopes of getting the buyer to overlook mechanical issues.

I'd rather see a nice running. prisitne old girl in her rusty clothes than a tractor that has a half-butt paint job.

My $.02.

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Allan In NE

01-20-2007 17:07:48




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 Re: Survey says in reply to Dave 2N, 01-20-2007 16:45:02  
I agree,

Paint is the very last step. It serves to make you feel somewhat better about pourin' all that money down 'er gullet. :>)

Allan



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Dave 2N

01-21-2007 07:07:04




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 Re: Survey says in reply to Allan In NE, 01-20-2007 17:07:48  
I'll try to keep this short--

A couple of years ago at a local county fair, it was getting late in the evening and they were down to the last class of the big standard wheatland tractors. We have a large JD presence in the area so the class had JD 80's 820's, 830's etc. and the green and yellow guys thought they had things goin' their way. All of their tractors were good runners but also painted up nice.

All of a sudden, toward the end of the class, onto the track comes this unpainted and rather disreputable looking, International 660 and the driver looked like he could use a coat of paint too. But my son and I got to looking that tractor over before he pulled and there was lots of indications that that 660 had had some recent engine work; ya'know, engine not greasy or snotty, new gaskets, and new bolt heads showing, etc. Before he even hooked, my son and I concluded that he had that tractor lookin' pretty good where it counts: the "business" end.

Up to this point, none of the JD's had done a full pull but some had come close. Well this old boy and his 660 hooked up and I swear by heavens that he would still be pullin' that sled today somewhere between NYS and Kansas City if they hadn't stopped him before he went out of the fairgrounds gate with the sled.

Moral of the story? Don't judge a tractor by its paint job; judge it by how well it runs.

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in sticks

01-20-2007 14:55:21




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 Re: Survey says in reply to jc, 01-20-2007 12:35:35  
usta have a couple of sayings that i remember
all show an no go. it's whats under the hood that counts.



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Coloken

01-20-2007 14:19:24




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 Re: Survey says in reply to jc, 01-20-2007 12:35:35  
I've walked away from several tractors on farm sales because of the plastered on paint. Kind of like a woman with too much paint, maybe with enough to drink they might look better, but they kind of leave a bad taste in my mouth. Covers up all kinds of things. At least that is the way they affect me.



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tractorsam

01-20-2007 14:04:52




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 Re: Survey says in reply to jc, 01-20-2007 12:35:35  
I don"t think the paint adds value but I think it certainly makes things easier to sell and it might bring a higher price. I"d rather buy something old and rusty but honest any day. Just my two cents, tractorsam



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David in Wales

01-20-2007 13:55:22




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 Re: Survey says in reply to jc, 01-20-2007 12:35:35  
Hi Gang;
Ive been selling new tractors & farm machinery in England since the mid-1970s. My opinion is that over the past few years painting quality has gone down, and the steam cleaners fetch off sheets of paint.
On antique tractors here there are 2 schools of thought, either sandblast & respray to better than new condition or leave it original (rusty) and coat it in thin oil to preserve the off farm condition. Badly painted tractors are not selling here to-day.
I've got original Fordson Super Major - too good to repaint; and totally restored to as new JD920 & Fordson KFD Orchard tractor. My older restoration JD BR wasnt done well by the previous owner, and looks scruffy now. Dread to think of of the cost to do it properly !!!
Cheers David

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Allan In NE

01-20-2007 12:47:42




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 Re: Survey says in reply to jc, 01-20-2007 12:35:35  
Not me,

I don't want the darned things painted. The mind's eye has a real problem looking past all that shiney paint. Gimme an ugly baby and I'll tell you what kind of shape it's in. :>)

Dunno what they call that coating any more. Used to be sold as an engine compartment cleaner back in the day and used car lots use it all the time to "shine 'em up".

Allan



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massey333

01-21-2007 06:06:10




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 Re: Survey says in reply to Allan In NE, 01-20-2007 12:47:42  
Allan &jc,what we have been seeing the last 10-15 years is they are being sprayed with Diesel fuel or Kero. which really shines them up.It seems the bigger the Auction firm is the more you see it,really makes them shine.



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jc

01-20-2007 13:32:14




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 Re: Survey says in reply to Allan In NE, 01-20-2007 12:47:42  
No one agrees with the two of you more than I do.
Just like Allan said, I like to "see" what condition it's in. Just stating the facts about paint jobs. Also a paint job may or may not be all that is needed for a restoration. I only buy what I consider to be sound equipment and touch up not cover up to sell better. I had not thought about the engine shine material. It's still around.



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Jay (ND)

01-20-2007 12:56:18




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 Re: Survey says in reply to Allan In NE, 01-20-2007 12:47:42  
I'm with Allan on this one. Also I think restoring tractors is something you do for yourself, not for resale. You'll never get your money, much less your time, out of it.



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Larry NE IL

01-20-2007 15:16:56




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 Re: Survey says in reply to Jay (ND), 01-20-2007 12:56:18  
If your talking "antique" tractors only, then the answer is don't paint if found in original condition WITH a good layer of original paint.

The auctioneers always say;"you can make 'em new, but you can't make 'em original"



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