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Detroit 4-53 Siezed, Help

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Uncle

01-20-2007 18:46:33




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I bought this Bantam Excavator and the 453 Detroit is siezed. The old guy I bought it from, who I believe to be as honest as they come, told me that the engine was overhauled about a year prior to him shutting it down.
He had a larger trackhoe and when he blew a hydraulic seal he just walked away.
It's been sitting for about two years now. I put a breaker bar on it and it won't budge.
I poured a diesel/oil mix down the exhaust stack for now.
The machine is 2 1/2 hrs away and I can't do more until I get her home, but what should I do to free the engine.
Also Is anyone around Arkansas that can move it for less than $1,000?
Brian

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NC Wayne

01-21-2007 17:48:18




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 Re: Detroit 4-53 Siezed, Help in reply to Uncle, 01-20-2007 18:46:33  
On a Detroit, depending on what position the engine stopped, in it is possible that all of the exhaust valves are closed at the same time. Even if all of them aren't closed your not gonna get anything into the ones that are through the exhaust. Your best bet would be to remove the airbox covers, and blower if needed, and go in that way. Depending on what part of the stroke each piston was on, doing it this way you'll see either see the inside of the liners, the sides of the pistons, some of the rings, etc through the intake ports. With this visual information you'll have a better idea of what's causing the siezure as well as having "direct" access to the parts involved. If you see the internal's are rusted up beyond repair then you'll know wether your wasting your time trying to get it to turn over or not. Just remember on the Detroits the oil control rings are tapered downwards and knife edged so any raised places from rust on the cylinder walls is likely to break or at least damage them. This will cause you alot of grief later on when the engine really starts to use and slobber oil out the airbox drains. Good luck and I hope this helps.

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Jim WJ

01-20-2007 20:29:24




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 Re: Detroit 4-53 Siezed, Help in reply to Uncle, 01-20-2007 18:46:33  
If there was any possibility that water went down the stack, remove the exhaust manifold and see if there is a big ball rust around the valves.
[pull the oil drain plug out first and see if there is any waterat the bottom of the pan]. If you find rust around the valves , just pull the head and get her cleaned up. these valves can bend
very easy if they come in contact with a piston.
I've repiared/overhauled many in this condition
and most of the time it seems like its a complete
teardown.
Jim WJ

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Larry NE IL

01-20-2007 19:25:33




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 Re: Detroit 4-53 Siezed, Help in reply to Uncle, 01-20-2007 18:46:33  
I don't know who quoted you $1000.00, but a machinery hauler will charge about $80.00/hour. Times 6.0 hrs = $480.00. I believe that machine should be a legal load, so no permit fees involved. You would be better off listening to the guys on the forum and get it loose and running so you can load it, then take it home.



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Uncle

01-20-2007 19:21:15




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 Re: Detroit 4-53 Siezed, Help in reply to Uncle, 01-20-2007 18:46:33  
Whats the best way to get the oil into the cylinders?
Brian



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ron,ar

01-20-2007 19:16:11




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 BTW in reply to Uncle, 01-20-2007 18:46:33  
If it is a turbocharged model, you might want to remove the turbo coupling shaft and try to turn it over. There are a lot of loggers with heavy equipment truck/trailers off work right now needing to make a few bucks while the woods dry out some. Might getone to move it but a grand might not be enough.



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Michael Price

01-20-2007 19:06:44




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 Re: Detroit 4-53 Siezed, Help in reply to Uncle, 01-20-2007 18:46:33  
Ive broke many engines loose before, get a good penetrating oil croil is the best, its expensive but its worth it. fill the cylinders full and let it sit for a while. The longer it sits the longer the engine will run before it will need rings.

As for getting the beast home try talking to a big farmer near you with a truck. They are usually the cheapest or you could try a farm equipment dealership but they may be pricy. Your best shot would probably to talk to a big farmer or some guy who has a few machines that digs ponds.

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old

01-20-2007 19:03:53




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 Re: Detroit 4-53 Siezed, Help in reply to Uncle, 01-20-2007 18:46:33  
If you can remove the injectors and fill the cylinders with turpentine, not paint thinner but the true gum spirts of turpentine and let it sit a few days. Then set a battery on it and hit the starter. If its going to pop free it will when you do that. Do short fast hits of the starter. Seen that problem many times and on diesels turpentine it the trick that works if any thing is going to work. BTDT and so far it has always worked on the diesels I have had that where stuck

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ron,ar

01-20-2007 18:51:54




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 Re: Detroit 4-53 Siezed, Help in reply to Uncle, 01-20-2007 18:46:33  
What part of Arkansas is it in?



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Uncle

01-20-2007 18:55:42




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 Re: Detroit 4-53 Siezed, Help in reply to ron,ar, 01-20-2007 18:51:54  
The Hoe is in Dermott S.E. Arkansas and it is going to Central Arkansas 72058, it's 160 miles.
Thanks, Brian



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ron,ar

01-20-2007 18:58:16




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 Re: Detroit 4-53 Siezed, Help in reply to Uncle, 01-20-2007 18:55:42  
I'll check around here in this area, but if you are in central Arkansas you probably know as many folks as I do.
Ron,sheridan ar



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Uncle

01-20-2007 20:28:02




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 Re: Detroit 4-53 Siezed, Help in reply to ron,ar, 01-20-2007 18:58:16  
Thanks Ron I can use all the help.
Brian



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