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Flail Mower question again

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37 chief

01-25-2007 19:18:54




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I posted a question a few days ago, and got a lot of good info about Mott flail mowers, which is what I am looking at to buy. It is a 6 ft. right hand drive, which someone called a reverse rotation. It has a lot of small blades held on with pins, and cotter pins through pin hole. Two L shape blades with one pin. This is what someone called a finish mower. Can I purchase different blades to make this a heaver cutting machine, or will I be wasting my money, and should be looking for a heaver machine? What keeps weeds from winding up on the cutter drum? About how many blade spots on a 6ft machine?Thanks to those who took the time to read this. Stan

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135 Fan

01-26-2007 16:53:55




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 Re: Flail Mower question again in reply to 37 chief, 01-25-2007 19:18:54  
There is 92 or 94 blade mounts on a fine cut heavy duty Mott. You can get a smaller version of the ring mount knives but it will be pricey to change them all. The 2 outermost knives were usually left off so they wouldn't rub on the sides if bent. Mott flails have to have the PTO at no less than 540 as the curve in the blades actually will change. It's one of those strange but true things. My dad sold Motts for years and when the 3 gang Interstater came out was the biggest dealer in the world. Very good friends with Mr. Mott until his plane crash. Also, buy mott cotter pins. The loop is flat on one side so you can easily bend them without them turning. Put a lot of blades on Motts as a kid. Dave

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David in Wales

01-26-2007 14:35:33




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 Re: Flail Mower question again in reply to 37 chief, 01-25-2007 19:18:54  
Hi Stan;
Spent many years selling rotary & flail mowers in England as manufacturer's Area Manager. The flail mowers are available with "paddle" style blades for rougher work - but they take more power to drive. The "L" back-to-back give a finer finish and chop the grass more - less power required.
The rotor direction can be either over the top or underneath depending on manufacturer. Over the top will clear grass faster but the action will pick up soil & small stones which will damage the flail hood. Under rotating will not lift so many stones and any which are lifted will be thrown backwards and downwards - safer.
Your choice should be dictated by the dealer nearest to you who can off excellent parts & service back-up. Ask him to give you customer names he has sold machines to - best advert is a satisfied customer.
Good luck with your project.
David

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Rich Va

01-26-2007 11:20:37




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 Re: Flail Mower question again in reply to 37 chief, 01-25-2007 19:18:54  
If you're gonna be mowing a lot of tall grass and weeds you really need a bush hog.



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135 Fan

01-26-2007 16:59:27




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 Re: Flail Mower question again in reply to Rich Va, 01-26-2007 11:20:37  
A rough cut super heavy duty Mott flail puts a bush hog to shame. 4 or 5 ft. grass or weeds cut in one pass with a nice even cover of cut material. Dave



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37 chief

01-26-2007 17:21:32




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 Re: Flail Mower question again in reply to 135 Fan, 01-26-2007 16:59:27  
Dave will a flail mower with fine cut blades be able to be set up with new blades to cut 4 or 5 ft. grass and weeds? Kind of like the one I am looking at? Stan



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Gene Davis (GA)

01-26-2007 08:40:58




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 Re: Flail Mower question again in reply to 37 chief, 01-25-2007 19:18:54  
Chief; You are right in the fact that you called this mower a finish mower. I have been using Mott flail mowers since the early 80's around here to mow my 3.5 acre spread in central Georgia. They are actually capable of being a finish or rough cut mower depending on the blades you have on it. The first one I owned was connected to a 154 Cub IH lo-boy tractor. The tractor was useless for anything but mowing. It had a reverse rotation 1800 rpm, 15/16 inch diameter, left hand rotation (reversed) live pto that ran off belts from the flywheel to a dry clutch disc pack. This was a Mott mower designed for that tractor to use in parks and golf courses. The Mott Model number is "CLB 60". It is a reversed set up from the regular ones. I wanted to sell the tractor and had to leave the mower on it so someone would buy it. The next one I got was one that a guy had coupled to an 8N ford amd was complaining that it wouldn't cut. It didn't cut all the grass and threw everything out the front of the mower up under his wheels. I told him he had the wrong model for his tractor. He and at least 2 other owners had tried their hands at it and were not getting any where. I bought it from him. It was almost new and the problem was that they were trying to run the reversed rotation mower for the IH Cub on a regular tractor! I took it apart and turned the drum around and flipped the gearcase over from one side to the other, changed the pulley ratios so that the drum turns at least 2200 rpms to get a clean cut and am still running this mower. I talked to a factory guy once and that is where I got the 2200 rpm speed figure. For finish mowing of the yard, I made several modifications. I added a front and rear vinyl curtain to keep it from scattering clippings, I added a set of castering front gauge wheels that are adjustable with spacers on top or bottom of the shaft. I then built a floating upper link copied from the design on the John Deere 271 finish mower and extended the length of the hitch pin t o make a 7" longer hookup. The end result was that the mower floats with the terrain by riding on the castering gauge wheels on the front and the large 2-1/2" diameter roller on the rear and the longer hitch distance works to give it less bumpiness like riding in a long wheelbase truck and the floating hitch means it is free to move with the contours. I only pick up the mower with the tractor lift when making sharp turns, otherwise it follows the tractor like a towed implement and the tractor only lifts it for transport. All in all it works real well. Yes they have a bad problem with ropes, vines and especially wire. But the good points out weigh the bad in my opinion. You either love these machines or hate them. They are not for the undecided person!!
Flailmaster Inc has a lot of parts for them. I turn my blades and dress up the edges about every 2 years or so.

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MarkB_MI

01-26-2007 03:20:23




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 Re: Flail Mower question again in reply to 37 chief, 01-25-2007 19:18:54  
There are at least two different types of knives used on the older Mott mowers. It sounds like you have the straight knives that are about six inches long. On my Mott F6, I have a different setup that I believe are called "rock and trash" knives. These do a better job handling rough stuff, but they are a far cry from the heavy duty knives used on the newer mowers. It's hard to say if you could use the later style blades, but you can certainly go to the "rock" knives like I have.

To switch to the rock and trash knives, you need for each set of knives:

2 ea blades P/N 101993
1 ea D-ring P/N 101991
2 ea Clip P/N 101992 (possibly 102650 or 105746)
1 ea bolt P/N 000032
1 ea self-locking nut P/N 000210

Montage Enterprises carries these parts (or at least used to), but doesn't show them on their web site. Flailmaster shows them on their site. Your best bet is to try to figure out the model number and go to an Alamo dealer or call Montage or Flailmaster to see exactly what setup you can use. Maybe the "coarse-cut" blades will work on your machine, these are much heavier than the "fine-cut" blades I described above.

My mower is covered in snow right now, but I believe it has knives mounted every inch. So 72 sets of knives, which would be 144 total, except that the last two rings on each end only have one blade each, so 140 total.

If you're going to be doing a lot of heavy brush, I would look at some of the newer machines, which are much heavier.

Stuff will wind around the cutter shaft, but generally it will clear itself out. It's not difficult to stop and unwind any weeds, string, saplings, etc. off the shaft. The worst thing I've ever picked up was a garden hose, watch out for those, they are nearly impossible to remove!

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john cub owner

01-25-2007 19:46:27




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 Re: Flail Mower question again in reply to 37 chief, 01-25-2007 19:18:54  
you can see what blades are available by going to www.flailmaster.com. note, not all blades are interchangable. a 6 foot would hAVE APPROXIMATELY 90 BLADE MOUNTS.



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