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OT - Cold Bees in Barn

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Joe MD

02-09-2007 06:58:25




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I think I might take advantage of this cold snap to remove a very large wild honey bee nest from the floor of our barn.

Think I might relocate them into some kind of plywood box in the woods.

Is this safe or a dumb idea? I will have to cut a large whole in the floor to get them out. Will they just be dormant?

I don't think I should poison them and would still have to clean up there hive mess anyway if I did.

Any amatuer beekeepers out there?

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super99

02-09-2007 14:31:32




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to Joe MD, 02-09-2007 06:58:25  
Contact your local Extension Service. They should have a list of all the bee keepers in your area. Chris



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Joe MD

02-09-2007 10:47:26




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to Joe MD, 02-09-2007 06:58:25  
I was figuring they would be totally frozen. I don't think I want to mess with bees that can fly even a foot or two. I think I am dealing with a large number.

I don't want to end up on the evening news so I think I'll call a pro or perhaps poison them eventhough I hate to do it.

Just can't have them in my barn.

Email me if you are a beekeeper in central Maryland and would be interested.



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Don L C

02-09-2007 10:09:11




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to Joe MD, 02-09-2007 06:58:25  
You would be better off to leave them alone..... find you a good be keeper in your area , he would be more than happy to have the bees and you will be rid of them..... ..Don



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HillsofTn

02-09-2007 09:16:34




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to Joe MD, 02-09-2007 06:58:25  
Hey Joe,

I used to have a couple of beehives, but that doesn't make me much of an expert. I can offer the following: 1. Even if they only fly a few feet in extreme cold, be sure you are protected within those few feet. Their stingers are not frozen. Also, the convenience of the cold keeping them from flying also would drastically reduce the core temperature at the center of the hive. The maintenance of that core temperature is what allows the bees to survive the winter and maintain some degree of bee replacement (albeit, very small during the cold weather).

2. If you can find an amateur beekeeper, he might be willing to try to take care of the bees and the honey at the same time. He would probably prefer to do it on a relatively warm day and use smoke to calm them rather than let them freeze trying to relcate on a cold day. That is your best opportunity to save the hive. If you don't get the queen bee. the bees will refuse to leave. or if the queen dies, they will die also. If you did manage to move her and the bees, you would still need to insure that enough honey and comb were moved also or they would starve very quickly. Even if you managed all of the above successfully, if the box in the woods is not well-located, the hive could become easy pickings for a few of the wild creatures that consider the bees and/or the honey as a treat.

3. Winter time is not the norm for trying to relocate a hive of wild bees. I think it would be a risky attempt even with tame ones, but at least the tame ones are in a hive construction that allows for locating the queen and an orderly way to transfer comb and honey.

All of the above is the amateur opinion. Somewhere in this knowledgeable bunch, we are bound to have someone who has dealt with bees on a larger scale. Good Luck! (If I were closer, I would give it a try just to see if I could save them. But cheap bees are like cheap tractors - you can only travel so far before the cost becomes more than the price.)

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old

02-09-2007 08:40:06




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to Joe MD, 02-09-2007 06:58:25  
Do some calling around and find a local bee keeper. Reason I say that is that even when cold the bees can and will go after you and if you get them mad enough it could be the last thing you do. I'm saying this because I know BTDT, back years ago I raised bees and know if you get them mad enough they will come at you. You need the right suit/equipment to do any thing with them. We moved some once and had a problem not a good one either. I got stunk 150 times plus and now don't dare to get stung. Most people 150 plus sting would kill so as I said don't do it call a PRO

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Tim, Ohio

02-09-2007 08:19:05




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to Joe MD, 02-09-2007 06:58:25  
Joe,

Try this link. It is to our bee lab here
at The Ohio State University. I think they
would be happy to give you advice since
the bee population is in decline and all
agriculture benefits from bees.

Link

Tim, Ohio



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mike a. tenn.

02-09-2007 08:09:45




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to Joe MD, 02-09-2007 06:58:25  
dang joe! when i first read the title on your post i was sure it said cold BEERS in barn...i opened it real quick thinkin' there'd be an invite to a party!! oh well...kinda cold out for beer drinkin' anyway.

-mike



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Ken B.

02-09-2007 10:36:48




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to mike a. tenn., 02-09-2007 08:09:45  
Mike I did the same thing must be some of that Ky Tn thinking. Ken B



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Bob Farrell

02-09-2007 08:02:43




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to Joe MD, 02-09-2007 06:58:25  
I suggest you make sure they are honey bees. Other types can be very aggressive - cold or hot. Some have the capacity to kill humans. Probably best left to a pro.



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farmer101IL

02-09-2007 07:40:41




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to Joe MD, 02-09-2007 06:58:25  
I'm not so sure you wouldn't kill the hive moving them this time of year. They do eat the honey.
Tough call. I don't think that you could move everything in a couple of clumps. If they have been there a while couple of years that hive is going to be bigger than you think. If you want to get rid of them , i would think it would be a good time of the year. Transplanting dont think it will work.
Let us know what it looks like in the hive though.
Do you have a camera?

Farmer

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the Unforgiven

02-09-2007 07:29:25




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to Joe MD, 02-09-2007 06:58:25  
When I was a little kid we would harvest honey from trees way out in the pasture, pull the cover off, dig some honeycomb out, and patch the tree back shut. We always waited for zero degrees or colder, the bees that flew out would only go 4 or 5 feet.



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Brian in NY

02-09-2007 07:24:22




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 Re: OT - Cold Bees in Barn in reply to Joe MD, 02-09-2007 06:58:25  
Depending on how cold it is there, if it is below freezing or close to it, you should be pretty safe.
Wear thick gloves, and something over your head with fine mesh netting....and go for it.

Great idea just relocating them...we need those honey bees.

Now the other thing is that if you can find someone who keeps bees....and collects honey they might be very pleased to come and take the hive.
The bees might have a better chance for survival in the presence of a professional.

Good luck!

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