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Tandem disk for 4230

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Gorilla

02-21-2007 17:51:21




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Posted this in implement alley but not much as much activity over there.

I need a disk for my 4230 (100 hp). I have used a 20' kewannee disk several times and it pulls just fine except that I lose traction in loose soil the 2nd time around. I found 3 disks in my price range. IH 475 18' non fold. 19" disks.... IH 475 Manual fold (has springs) 19" Disks..... Krause 1404 22' hydraulic fold 20" Disks They all seem to be clean and in pretty good shape with no welds. Bearings look ok. The Krause seems to be a little heavier disk. They all have standard disks (not cone shaped) The disks on the krause seem to be a built a little thicker than the IH disks. I will be using it in blackland. 1. Which disk would be the best match for my 4230? 2. I dont have ballast in the tires or weights on it...if I added ballast would the 4230 pull the 22' disk ok? 3. The IH Disks seem a little thinner but smooth, no chunks out of em..How do I gauge how worn they are? Thanks, gorilla

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John A.

02-22-2007 05:25:54




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to Gorilla, 02-21-2007 17:51:21  
Gorilla, One word says it all iin the choice of disk....Blackland!!!
Being here in Central Texas where we have Houston Black soils and dirivities there of. I opt for the narrower of the three. For the total load on the tractor should be less, so when the time arises when a higher grar and speed will facilitate more soil action, and result in a more finished seedbed.
We pull a IH 500, with 22" disk, it is 14 ft wide. on a second ot third pass it will sure give our 4230 fits. Our 4230 is carring + - 750lbs of cast on each rear corner on single 18.4x38! Duals would improve preformance in loose soil situations.
As far as disk sharpness, a disk should have given thickness then taper down to a sharper edge for cutting soil, trash and residue. That taper will usually start about 1 in. back from the edge. If the disk are a straight given thickness then the edge just rounds off then they are dull. and need to be sharpen "Rolled" or replaced. Hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

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Gorilla

02-22-2007 08:59:49




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to John A., 02-22-2007 05:25:54  
I think my ground is probably a little lighter than yours. It is on the edge of the blackland belt and kinda gray. I think that 18' will be the one. How fast do you disk? Thanks for the help on judging disk wear. They taper like you say and are nice and sharp. Thanks for the help.



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John A.

02-22-2007 21:05:36




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to Gorilla, 02-22-2007 08:59:49  
Gorilla, Most of my soils are an Houston Black derivitity called Ecrack. It still has enough clay to be hard to plow at times, But enough Calachie. rock, and sand to keep things intresting. So it tends to run grayer rather than the true black soils further East. Sharp disk will pull easer than dull ones. My opinion on disk withs really comes from my experiences in the TX/OK Panhandles farming Highplains Sand. We pulled 21' Offsets with 150 Hp JDs 4630/4640. We used the same 21' offsets with our 4840s but had better soil action. When I moved back I watched the same tractors we used in the panhandles pulling 4 to 5' narrower plows down here. That is just my observations. Since you will be useing duals that will make a big difference. Have fun, Good Luck.
Later,
John A.

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James22

02-21-2007 20:12:28




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to Gorilla, 02-21-2007 17:51:21  
I have pulled a 21ft IH 490 with a MM G1050 showing 118 bhp on the dyno and it was a good match. I wouldn't be afraid of the 22 footer. The 475 and 470 would be too light of a disk for my tastes, unless you are disking plowed ground. We have a IH 480 disk which is heavier than the 470-475 and still prefer the weight of the 490. Have also pulled the IH 490 with the JD 830, which really more than it wanted. The two big tractors just play with either disk, so are considering purchasing a 28 ft IH 496.

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Leland

02-21-2007 19:49:14




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to Gorilla, 02-21-2007 17:51:21  
Does it have duals ?



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jwal10

02-21-2007 19:07:52




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to Gorilla, 02-21-2007 17:51:21  
I had a 4240 18.4x38's loaded,duals, 2 sets of weights. Pulled a 20' 475 cutaways front, 9" spacing. I had 24" blades, A lot had 20" new. I wouldn't want a 18' nonfolding to get around with. I liked the 475 better than any other, it levels better.If the hydralic wing disk had 20" disks new it might pull it, but if it is a heavier disk it might have had 24" to start with and be more disk than you will want.I could pull mine angled all the way 1st pass in wheat stubble, second pass wanted to go all the way to axle. So would flatten angle 1 hole. Spring disking might have to flatten angle first pass. My 4240 had over 115 horses.

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ejr-IA.

02-21-2007 18:12:19




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to Gorilla, 02-21-2007 17:51:21  
If you add ballast use wheel weights rather than fluid.What speed do you try to disk at?With the 22' disk seems that would be a good size load for a 4230.



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flying belgian

02-21-2007 19:44:58




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to ejr-IA., 02-21-2007 18:12:19  

why do you suggest weights instead of fluid?



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Glenn F.

02-21-2007 17:59:40




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to Gorilla, 02-21-2007 17:51:21  
I'd fill those rear tires up to 80% with CC and go hook on a neighbor's 22' disk. You'll have a better answer than any of us can give you.

Glenn F.



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iddd

02-21-2007 17:58:05




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to Gorilla, 02-21-2007 17:51:21  
Hey... if you already LOSE traction with a 20' disk...how do you think you're going to pull a 22' disk????



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Gorilla

02-21-2007 17:59:04




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to iddd, 02-21-2007 17:58:05  
THAT is why I ASKED about the result of Adding ballast to the tires!



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Don-Wi

02-22-2007 00:13:01




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to Gorilla, 02-21-2007 17:59:04  
Fluid and dual will make a ton of difference. I can't see how anybody can try to pull something like that in loose soil without it. I think Firestone may have a picture on theire website that explains how to tell if you have proper traction or not.

Basically, if you can make out a clear, non-disturbed tread pattern in loose soil, it's too heavy. If the pattern is slightly busted up but still there, that's about perfect. If there is too much slip and you can't make out the tread pattern, add some weight, because all you're doing is making the tires spin, and the HP isn't getting to the ground. Might as well have a 80 Hp tractor with weight for the last one, because that's probably about all you're putting to the ground is 80 HP.

Duals will help alot too as long as they have some tread, but they can just make the tractor float even more if they're bald and there isn't any weight on them...

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iddd

02-21-2007 18:14:50




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to Gorilla, 02-21-2007 17:59:04  
hahaha, i completely didn't see that...i guess the stupid arrow points to ME!!



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Gorilla

02-21-2007 19:58:47




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 Re: Tandem disk for 4230 in reply to iddd, 02-21-2007 18:14:50  
It doesnt have duals. I'm leaning to the 18' folding. I think that Krause is just a little too big and heavy. I still want to add weight though for a little better traction. Thanks for all the help. gorilla



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