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pepper boy

03-08-2007 04:14:14

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Do you guys stop at scales when you haul tractors? If so what is the procedure and do you need any papers. Thanks.

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farmboy steve

03-08-2007 18:14:59

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

in indiana, with 43foot grain trailer, we are allowed 80000 gross. in the fall we get 10% added to that if loading out of the field.

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thejdman01

03-08-2007 10:39:29

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

Its all up to the cop, what mood he is in, etc etc. Seriously, up to the cops discresion, if he wants to pursue you or not. I know in wisconson from my experiences you better stop. Dot realizes, because of the complexity of laws, few poeple actually understanding htem etc etc, many poeople running w/o medical cards cdl's etc, that pickups and goosenecks are HUGE HUGE sources of untapped revenue and are starting to tap that resource. Many 1 ton duallys are running in IL on B plates (8000lbs) (dry weight of truck is 7400ish lbs, doesnt leave much room for pin weight, no cdl, no medical card,no safety sticker, couple infractions on lights, probably not chained down right, w/the right grade of chain, etc etc, I know IL is cracking down.

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pat maplehillfrm

03-08-2007 11:56:58

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Re: Hauling in reply to thejdman01, 03-08-2007 10:39:29

you dont need a medical card or cdl under 26,000 lbs,

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showcrop

03-08-2007 19:18:48

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Re: Hauling in reply to pat maplehillfrm, 03-08-2007 11:56:58

Pat you are right about the CDL but only partly right about the medical card

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showcrop

03-08-2007 09:51:37

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

I recently had an on premises audit of my business by the fed. DOT.He found very little to write me up on and I got a satisfactory rating.I queried him about laws pertaining to my pick-up truck when pulling my dual tandem gooseneck. dehermesc has it pretty much exactly right.And in any given scenario I believe that it depends on what today's special is, and ignorance seems to never get you off the hook. In order to be informed go to your local DOT or registry and pick up the book for studying for your CDL exam. That spells it out pretty well.

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Mike (WA)

03-08-2007 08:23:36

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

Somebody who should know told me to always stop at scales in Washington if I had a pickup with loaded trailer. Few years ago, a trooper at the scale told me "don't stop at scales with pickup and trailer". I took that to mean "don't ever stop", and I haven't since.

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Luke S

03-08-2007 08:35:16

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Re: Hauling in reply to Mike (WA), 03-08-2007 08:23:36

Yup, a wise man once told me "keep going straight forward till somebody tells ya to stop".

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Luke S

03-08-2007 07:11:50

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

NO! I have a 1-ton truck with a GVW of 12,200lbs and a 48' stepdeck gooseneck with a GVW of 21,000lbs for a total gross combined weight rating of 33,200lbs and I have never been on a scale. Lots of guys want to pretend like their truckers and think it is cool to pull on them with pick-ups. I go right past and they have never come after me. And I am involved in business as well as farming. I have traveled through my home state of Missouri, Iowa, Kansas, Illinois, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas, and Kentucky and have never been so much as sneezed at by the chicken coop. They got waaaaayyyyy y bigger fish to fry than pick-ups.

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Clint Youse MO

03-08-2007 06:24:35

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

I usually go on if in pick up have never been stopped in a personal vehicle but a few years ago when I was in college was working for a equippment dealer and hauling skid steers on a pick up and gooseneck from Columbia, MO to Kansas City and went right past the scales. The DOT man came and pulled me over asked what I was weighing made sure had proper liscense and turned me loose said he does not worry about private pickups but since that on had a company name on it he just wanted to check. so I definately do not stop in personal vehicle just play dumb.

Clint

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dhermesc

03-08-2007 05:33:37

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

The correct answer is: It depends.

In Kansas and Oklahoma if you are driving any kind of commercial vehicle that has a GVWR (that's the rating-not actual weight) over 10,000 pounds you have to go across the scales. Basically all one tons with a plaquard on their door have to hit the scales with the semis. Log book/time sheet with vehicle inspections are also required if over 150 miles from home. If its a private vehicle and not for hire you'll be fine without any of that mess, but be careful. If you're hauling someone else's tractor or hauling in connection with a revenue producing business you'll learn real quick that you're seated in a commercial vehicle. Some people that drag race or compete in mudathons have been ticketed (cash prize for winning) for not having the correct paperwork.

Any vehicle or combination of vehicle/trailer that has a rating of 26,001 pounds (virtually all one ton PU/trailer combinations) has to go across the scales. If you are in that range and traveling over 100 miles better have you log book with you.

There are exceptions for Farm Tag, but otherwise the laws are on the books and state is hungry for revenues, a lot times it depends on who has pulled you over. We got the tickets and KDOT audit to prove it.

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PJBROWN

03-08-2007 05:09:40

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

I think it depends on how high into CDL land you go..... Some state they will not bother you if you have farm plates. If you are pulling something with a pick up I wouldn't stop at the scales. If you have a rig that 80,000 plus I would stop

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in-too--deep

03-08-2007 16:44:10

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Re: Hauling in reply to PJBROWN, 03-08-2007 05:09:40

80,000 plus? In Illinois the limit is 73,280 when it's not springtime and the roads arent soft. How in the heck does a guy get away with 80,000?

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thejdman01

03-08-2007 18:30:03

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Re: Hauling in reply to in-too--deep, 03-08-2007 16:44:10

In IL on appropriate roads on z plates you can run 80,000 all day long. You rock jockies are stuck w/73280 because you cant scale it due to bridge laws.

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Bill46

03-08-2007 05:05:56

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

Nope. I run between Texas and Indiana 2 or 3 times a year hauling stuff between farms. Pulled on to a set of scales in Arkansas years ago and the trooper ran me off yelling at me to stay the He&& off his scales.
I don't have to be told twice.

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Tedd

03-08-2007 04:56:59

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

Pepper Boy, That was a very good question with good responses. I know what I'm going to do this summer..... .keep going.

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maplehillfrm,pat

03-08-2007 04:50:26

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

you are going to get a few different answers here I am sure, I have been trucking for close to 20 yrs, have heard the scale master YELL many times get that thing off my scale,, when a pickup pulls on it,

I personally dont pull on them with mine, I have a 250 with a gooseneck. I figure as long as I aint doing my tractors commercially , They aint checking me out commercially,

I guess its been a few years since I have been on the road but, thats the way it was a few yrs ago at the scales. If you do pull on watch the lights if they have them, you may get the bypass light, or a green light that says enter, if its your own tractor you wont have any paperwork, as truckers would need a bill of laden saying what it is they are hauling, where it was coming from and where it was going,, if they want you they will come get you, and then play dumb,,

there are no numbers on your truck? no name on your truck? no ICC number on your truck? just a pick up size hauler?no compensation $$? I dont stop but thats me,pat

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Hauling Reply

03-08-2007 04:33:50

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Re: Hauling in reply to pepper boy, 03-08-2007 04:14:14

In a recent issue of "Successful Farming" there was an article regarding the crackdown on trailering laws (Vol 105 No. 3 page 43). The concluding comment was that"all pickup trucks towing trailers must pull into weigh stations". Seems like overkill to me, and I have never done that. But based on that comment I guess the answer to your question is yes.

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Rich Va

03-08-2007 04:41:07

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Re: Hauling in reply to Hauling Reply, 03-08-2007 04:33:50

Last tractor I hauled was on an interstate. 1/2 ton pickup and trailer hauling a small tractor. Pulled into the weigh station,guy sitting in the little room just waved me on and had a very pizzed off look on his face.

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dhermesc

03-08-2007 05:34:18

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Re: Hauling in reply to Rich Va, 03-08-2007 04:41:07

You probably woke him up.

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maplehillfrm,pat

03-08-2007 04:55:45

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Re: Hauling in reply to Rich Va, 03-08-2007 04:41:07

yup, thats what they do,still the same,they used to do it yrs ago I guess it hasnt changed, but hey you tried.. would you do it again??haha.

at least now you have a story for them IF They ever came after you another time,pat

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