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Gas Tractor How much fuel???

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Jugger

03-15-2007 10:01:25




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Looking at buying a gas tractor been looking at a IH 706 or a oliver 1800 want one for loader work and some hay work was wondering how much fuel an hour one of these tractors go through working them im afraid i would go broke buying gas may be cheaper in the long run to buy a diesel??? thanks for the input




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Walt Davies

03-15-2007 23:14:54




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
Take it from a guy who has both gas and diesel. My big Case LA can burn 4 to 5 gallons an hour even on light work but can pull a 5 bottom plow when needed.

My Kubota can run all day on half a tank mowing and baling and raking and brush hogging. But it can't pull a 5 bottom plow.

If I was smart I'd get a diesel to do my heavy work also the cost would be less than half what it takes to run that LA.
Walt

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Mike (WA)

03-16-2007 08:18:12




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Walt Davies, 03-15-2007 23:14:54  
I remember an older gent telling about plowing with a Case LA in the '50s- they'd take a 55 gallon drum of gas to the field in the morning, and when the barrel was empty, it was time to go home. He said they were usually home in time for regular supper.



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kyhayman

03-15-2007 19:20:12




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
Round baler or batwing on a 4030 JD I used 100 gallons a day and better not run past summer or I was walking back to the barn. Didnt own that beast long, just couldnt feed it.



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JMS/MN

03-15-2007 20:48:16




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to kyhayman, 03-15-2007 19:20:12  
OK- just reread the post- it was about a GAS tractor- whole different thing!



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JMS/MN

03-15-2007 20:46:00




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to kyhayman, 03-15-2007 19:20:12  
100 gallons a day with a 4030? Must have way over 24 hrs in a KY day. Baling and batwinging is a light load. I Chopped haylage from '77-'01 using 4020, 4430, 4450.....5-6 gallons per hour on first cutting, later light cuttings were about 3 1/2 gph. No way you'll run 100 gal through a 90 horse tractor.



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Gerald J.

03-15-2007 16:58:40




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
Nebraska Tractor tests in the 50s and 60s typically showed gas tractors runing 7.5 to 10 hp-hr per gallon. The 4020 was the third worst, two hydro IHs were worse. The 4020 was 7.93 hp-hr per gallon, so if its loaded to 85 hp (rated at 85) it can use 10.5 gallons per hour. And plowing IT WILL!

Tractors run at part throttle tend to be not much better than at full throttle because a gas engine a part throttle needs another 10 degrees spark advance for good economy and very few gas tractors have ever had a vacuum advance to accomplish that.

Vintage gas tractors can do far worse than the tractor tests from wear and maladjustment.

The wrong plugs with carbon wires will increase the fuel consumption.

A choke cable that doesn't get the choke all the way open will increase fuel consumption.

A leaky float needle and seat will significantly increase fuel consumption. So will a leaky float.

A plugged air filter or oil bath air cleaner will increase fuel consumption.

Not having carburetor heat enabled when needed will increase fuel consumption.

Tightening the wing nut on the precleaner so it domes that top down will act like the choke partly on and increase fuel consumption.

Retarded timing will increase fuel consumption (and exhaust manifold heat).

Been there, fixed all these but the leaky float on my gas 4020. Cut the fuel consumption from 400 gallons for plowing, disking, planting, mowing, and baling on 24 acres in 33 hours to 250 gallons in later years doing the same work.

Gerald J.

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Grub

03-15-2007 14:28:59




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
IH656 gas rig would burn 5-6 gallons/hr when pulling a plow or disc. JD3020 gas burned 6+/hr.
The answer to your question lies in how many hours you are going to use it.
I would like to replace my 11mpg Suburban but for the cost of a newer rig I can buy alot of fuel since I don't drive it all that much.
Remember asking your math teacher in Jr. High "When am I going to ever use this?"

:) Grub

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glennster

03-15-2007 13:00:33




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
when we got our 706 gas many years ago, it was our biggest tractor, pullin a 14 ft disk, spike drag and 3 section roller, you could run from just after sun up to lunch, we'd eat, refuel and back out. had duals and loaded rear tires, weights on the front. ran about the same with the field cultivator. didnt think at the time it was all too bad on fuel.



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ejr-IA.

03-15-2007 11:06:37




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
If you read the Nebraska state test results on gas used by all the tractors tested,the 1800 was rated the highest on economy and the 706 was very near it.These were rated higher than some of the diesels tested.



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Stinky Cheese

03-15-2007 12:05:45




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to ejr-IA., 03-15-2007 11:06:37  
That is right, the 1800 is the most fuel effecient gas tractor in all the Nebraska tests. The 706 is third most effecient with the Allis D-10 coming in between the two. There is only one tenth of a HP difference between the 1800 and the 706 also, so they should drink withing a couple tablespoons of the same amount of gas. Of course those were tests of brand new tractors, your mileage may vary a lot by now.

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Duner Wi

03-15-2007 11:04:18




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
On the 706 run it back and forth a few times to see if you like the gearing.As for gas I split wood with a C291 and use 1 1/2 US gal. at 1100 rpm. Working hard farming it burns lots and lots of gas.



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Jon Hansmeier

03-15-2007 10:43:33




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
I had a 706 gas for many years, the last 10 years or so it had a loader on it. On the plus side, that six cyclinder gas will start in cold weather no problem. Never had to plug it in, would start in 30 below, very reliable. On the bad side, the transmission is very slow. For loader work you spend too much time trying to shift from forward to reverse and back again.



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rrlund

03-15-2007 10:29:54




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
That 1800 gas isn't really known for it's economy. A 1600,1550,1650,good sized haying tractor,not so bad on gas.



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dad's88

03-15-2007 23:02:05




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to rrlund, 03-15-2007 10:29:54  
Compared to other tractors of similar size the 1800 will be more efficient. But it's not fair to compare a 80 hp 1800 to a 66 hp 1650. On the other hand the 1800/1750 will do a lot more work in the field in the same amount of time. For what he needs perhaps the 1650 would be big enough and be cheaper to run.



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RickL

03-15-2007 10:28:38




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
I used to run unit like that in the Oliver 1800 and a 1755 gas Oliver. They do drink the gas. I drop back to a 1650 gas Oliver and no comparison. I could run all I need to in day time raking and loading samll bales with grapple with that unit. that one I would recommend but I would not go to the 1800 gas it reaaly drinks it although better statr in winter time thou. Oh I forgot the 1650 unit I refeffed to ias for sale now as I have outgreww it for hyd so it is for sale now. was always good running unit for me. $4000.00. Loader brackets for a Buhler 595 loader to fit also for sale`

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brian 1 in IA

03-15-2007 12:23:19




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to RickL, 03-15-2007 10:28:38  
Rick- Not on your site? Can't find a photo, I have a friend in the market for such.



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RickL

03-16-2007 05:30:32




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to brian 1 in IA, 03-15-2007 12:23:19  
No it is not on my site, the site got kinda ignored since last August I started a complete redo of my house and that took until last of Feb to finish. Anyway it is average [aint good running unit that I used all time on my hay grapple loader. needs brakes but they are here in the shop just have got that done yet either. $4000.00



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Allan In NE

03-15-2007 10:49:35




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to RickL, 03-15-2007 10:28:38  
Rick,

If you ever should happen to stumble across a set of irons for a Farmhand 235-to-small frame IH, would you give me a hollar?

I need to get my loader back over on the Hydro gasser.

Thanks,

Allan



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RickL

03-16-2007 05:34:57




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Allan In NE, 03-15-2007 10:49:35  
I thought you were parking that unit. To me looks like it would be the handiest for loader work. Looked at one late last year but went with 4440 instead. Only brackets I have right now is for Oiliver 4 digit series to fit 595 Buhler loader. But who knows by next week



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Mike M

03-15-2007 10:09:12




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
I like our JD 4020 gas for what I do,but I don't run it very much either. The few times it has seen heavy constant use it was more than up to the task,but it really sucked up the gas. I don't keep tabs on it cause it really doesn't matter. I don't think there has been any one year it got used more than 100 hrs. I'd say if you are going to use one 100 hrs. or more a year diesel would be a better way to go. Of course with the price of gas and diesel LP may be the way to go ?

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Glenn F.

03-15-2007 10:05:47




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Jugger, 03-15-2007 10:01:25  
I'm sure the 706 would have no problem burning 5 gallons/hr. A gas tractor will burn almost as much idling as it will pulling a plow.

Glenn



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RustyFarmall

03-15-2007 11:23:06




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Glenn F., 03-15-2007 10:05:47  
Not true. My dad had both a 4010 and a 3020, both gas. Doing heavy tillage work, you watched that fuel guage very close, and usually headed to the fuel barrel at noon. Lighter work, such as cultivating, mowing or raking hay, you could easily get two or three days out of a tank full.



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Unclemerle

03-15-2007 10:18:18




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Glenn F., 03-15-2007 10:05:47  
Had a AC 190 gasser a while back with a loader on it. It would use 5 to 7 gallons an hour no matter what you were doing. Someone else is a proud owner of it now and have a the loader on a tractor with a Perkins diesel engine in it. I now use about a tank full a year.

Merle



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Lou

03-15-2007 10:25:19




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Unclemerle, 03-15-2007 10:18:18  
Yes, you have it figured right. I wonder if any real farmers keep gasers around any more? Seems theyd go broke if they did.



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georgeky

03-15-2007 12:10:10




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Lou, 03-15-2007 10:25:19  
Yes we do. I use gas tractors daily most of them are small but I work the daylights out of them. I have 2 m farmalls that go all day during busy times. Every farm in this part of country has a gas tractor or two on them. Mostly Super A's 140s and Super C used for cultivating tobacco and light chore work. I can pull 3x14 turning plow all day on 25 to 30 gallons with one of the Ms and the other will burn 30 to 35 gallons. I also rake a lot of hay with them and it is about half that much.

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dad's88

03-15-2007 23:17:14




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to georgeky, 03-15-2007 12:10:10  
Us too. Have an 88 Oliver with a loader on it that still does a lot of work. Several 770's, 1550's, Super 77 are used for spraying, haying, running augers, etc. Of course the big stuff is handled with Cummins power.



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IH2444

03-15-2007 11:56:54




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 Re: Gas Tractor How much fuel??? in reply to Lou, 03-15-2007 10:25:19  
Good for feeding chores in the cold of winter.
Always starts no heater, antigel, etc needed.



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