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IaGary

03-17-2007 04:55:32




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I will get a picture if needed but maybe you guys can tell me without one.

At the top of the front grill it says "Ferguson Systems. On a tag between the dash and steering wheel it says Ford Motor Company and lists about 20 patent numbers under it.

Where is the ID or serial no. tag on these things?

This is a tractor at the neighbors that we lining up for an auction.

Thanks Gary




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Bob

03-17-2007 06:03:55




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to IaGary, 03-17-2007 04:55:32  
9N or 2N Ford.

See site below:



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GaryKee

03-17-2007 05:50:02




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to IaGary, 03-17-2007 04:55:32  
Gary:

Where / when is the auction?

Gary



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IaGary

03-17-2007 05:54:41




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to GaryKee, 03-17-2007 05:50:02  
April 14 just east of the airport on 250th street.

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8N'r--WI

03-17-2007 05:08:46




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to IaGary, 03-17-2007 04:55:32  
Gary--there is no serial # tag on the Ford 9, 2, and 8N tractors, but there is one located on the left side of engine(when you are sitting on the tractor) on flat smooth spot located almost behind the oil filter cannister right below the head.

Some are very difficult to read as they were hand stamped at the factory. If your begins with a 9---it is either a 2N or a 9N Ford. If it begins with an 8, it is an 8N.

The "Ferguson System" tells me it is not an 8N. The Fergy system refers to the 3-pt lift and its creator who partnered with Henry Ford for a while.

Get the serial # from the tractor and post back and I will tell you what year it is.

Are the radius rods round or I-beam shaped?

Tim

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IaGary

03-17-2007 05:13:17




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to 8N'r--WI, 03-17-2007 05:08:46  
You say not an 8N but there is a casting number on the left side of bell housing that say ? N 8.

But you say the serial number is on the motor by the filter correct?

Gary



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8N'r---WI

03-17-2007 05:21:00




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to IaGary, 03-17-2007 05:13:17  
Yes--there is a flat "boss" area that will be easy to find, although the numbers may be hard to read. If the owner doesn't mind you taking a wire brush to the area, you might be able to read it.

If the tractor does NOT have 4 forward speeds, it is not an 8N. If 3 speeds, it is definately a 9N or 2N.

I-beam style radius rods indicate 1939-1944 tractor.

I can post a picture (I think) of my 8N serial # in a minute.

Where are you in Iowa---I lived in Denver, IA for a while---Tim

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Iagary

03-17-2007 05:25:06




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to 8N'r---WI, 03-17-2007 05:21:00  
North Liberty Iowa.

I looked at pictures under tractor photos.

Looks like a 2N to me.

This one has a loader on it so a little tougher to ID from photos.

Thanks Gary



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2x4

03-17-2007 19:56:12




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to Iagary, 03-17-2007 05:25:06  
also look under the rear end. If there are no bolt holes for a hitch to bolt to, its 2N or 9N.



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8N'r--WI

03-17-2007 05:30:32




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to Iagary, 03-17-2007 05:25:06  
Gary---a lot of the 9N, 2N tractor had a auxiliary transmission installed as a dealer option or added later. These are Sherman Transmissions and will add quite a bit of value to the tractor.

There will be an "extra" shifter on the left side of the tractor right in front of your left foot if you have one.

Hope you get top $$ for the tractor---Tim



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IaGary

03-17-2007 05:35:22




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to 8N'r--WI, 03-17-2007 05:30:32  
Yes it has that extra lever in front of the clutch on left side.

They plumbed a gate valve into the rear end.

Did you use the 3pt lever to lift and lower the loader then?

Looks goofy to me.



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george md

03-17-2007 10:36:52




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to IaGary, 03-17-2007 05:35:22  
Gary, To use a loader with the internal hyd system
you have to lock the lift arms with a a heavy angle iron frame ( tiangle shaped) from the lift arms to the 3rd point . Then the port under the seat can be used for loader or other uses, but the loader operation will be slow ,small pump and gear oil don't work fast. We had a loader on an 8N ,slight improvement over a pitch fork.

george

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8N'r--WI

03-17-2007 05:49:46




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to IaGary, 03-17-2007 05:35:22  
If the "shifter lever" is "kind of straight" you probably have a Sherman HI-LO which gives you an extra 3 Forward Speeds, extra reverse (not that you need it). Pulling the lever toward the driver is the "high" speed, Away from you is normal speed.

If your lever has a dog-leg shape, you got lucky and it is a Sherman Combination Tranny, which will give you 9 forward speeds and 3 reverse.
These trannies alone sell on EBAY and elsewheres for upwards of a $1000 if rebuilt---

I know there are many different loaders for these tractors and probably a ton of ways they were hooked up---I never owned one, so I cant help you with that----there are guys on the "N" Tractor forum on this site that are well versed on the loaders if you really need to know--

I dont believe the 3 pt lever could be used to run the loader regardless of how goofy it looks, but then again, some guys are more creative than I am.----Tim

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mike a. tenn.

03-17-2007 05:08:45




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 Re: Ford , Ferguson or both??? in reply to IaGary, 03-17-2007 04:55:32  
are you sure there isn't a serial number on the tag with all the patent numbers? on fergies it's stamped in there but very lightly. sometimes hard to see. harry ferguson worked for ford for a while. they had the first "ferguson systems" on them i think. maybe it's a fordson?? just a guess.

-mike



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