100 plus HP loader tractor

I've never owned a conventional 4 wheel drive tractor, let alone one with a loader on it. I can tell you this they are great patrons of farm equipment dealer repair shops. It only stands to reason, you dig into material with loader, plus engine up front, and your lightest drive axle is taking all the punishment. Don't take rocket science brain to understand that. Everyone knows 60hp on 4x4 with engine as counter balance and a shuttle transmission, will run circles around any loader-tractor combo mentioned in this thread.

GO ARTICULATED MY FRIEND, 4x4 AT A FRACTION OF THE COST.

I decided roughly around 1976 the Farmall 1066 I bought a year earlier would be my last conventional tractor over 100 hp. The Deere I bought new at same time, being articulated and only 100 hp was just as productive and more efficient.

I find this whole thread rather amusing, big loader work as it applies to the vehicle has always been about big weight, balance and really nothing to do with big hp. I ran a big loader last year, it loaded 20ton capacity trucks in 3 bucket fulls. It actually had a dial on dash whereby one could limit hp to the wheels matching it to material being worked on.

Even if one choses to do loader work with one of these conventional tractors from NH, CaseIH or Deere, once one gets over 90 hp, he's into heavy chassis, got all the balance weight he's going to get. There is no way a Deere 4630 or IH 1486 are going to outdo a Deere 4030 or IH 886 on loader work. I guess they just like noise, and the thoughs of burning more high cost fuel.

Gerald J.

Powershift is handy too for bumping up the speed after changing direction out of a pile if you aren't going far.

I use my loader for a lot of stuff but not bale handling. The forks are on it about half the time hauling slabs from the sawmill or logs to it. Been building a shop the last while so the bucket has been hauling sand, crush and gravel mostly.

Just curious. Do you live in town or something? Fairly obvious that you've never ran a loader.

Allan

Get a 4,000 lb sweep-load of loose hay up around 17 feet; then, you're off the ground.

But yeah, I know where you are coming from. Out here, it is as flat as a kitchen table and it gives us a little more wiggle room. :>)

Allan

I use a 1086 on a loader and get along fine for hauling hay pushing dirt and so on.

As far as the MFWD. Dad had a 90hp Hesston MFWD with a loader. If you were digging holes it was great but for hay and most other jobs I will stick with the two wheel drive.

The MFWD did not turn short enough, so you end up backing up an extra time when you get into tight areas.

With the extra HP and weight of the 1086 I can do as much or more with 1086 as the 90 hp MFWD.

I haul hay all winter for cattle about 2 miles from home so the cab is great also. But stacking in the barn in the summer it gets old trying to see up high because of the cab.

99% of running a loader on wathever tractor you choose is whatever you get use to.

If you will notice that is a two wheel trailer on front. And the weight of 3 bales is on my rear axle.

So I would say there is more like 6 to 8 ton on that rear axle.

I bet I can stop that thing faster than any pickup with a loader trailer of any size.

Just responding to you. Gary

Why just yesterday I was up your way, on the outskirts of Harriston, I caught up with a CaseIH 150+ hp 4x4 and duals, and behind him a fully functional Super B train. He had full tail lights, marker lights, signal lights and 4 way, plus he had fully operational air brakes. He was loaded full height, length and width with large square bales. He came to a hill, didn't slow him down a bit until he came too a stop sign. Once he had the right away, it was left turn from starting on the upgrade. He cleared the intersection as fast as any highway tractor would.

If I met Gary on a down grade and he had enough 4 wheel wagons for 40 round bales, I'm certain I wouldn't be alarmed. These tractors have quite bit of ability to handle big loads.

A 1066 or 86 with duals, 20' disk behind, at full throttle in high gear, on dry black top, has the ability to stop in 4'. I know it did cause some smart a$$ cop some grief, that decided to follow me on a dark night with high beam lights on. We had some harsh words, but he did rear end me. Didn't hurt the disk, but his cruiser didn't look quite the same. There was no point in me driving further as I couldn't see anything with those high beams behind me.

One day I was at the welding shop, and Lawerence came in with the front end off his 8N, broken in two at the pivot point. The welding shop owner just couldn't resist and said, "Lawerence how did you ever do that." He added a whole lot more I can't remember. Lawerence said, "Gerald, you know how it happens, a fool tries to bring the last two loads of wood home in one load."

I don't believe we've met, you and I exchanged some e mails about three years ago, something about tractors. I have your e address written down, I actually had Glen written in there as well.

Soundguy

We all have different needs and different reasons for doing things, I guess. But I could never understand why a guy needs that much force on a loader.

I just went thru putting my loader on this 1066. Darned thing just works great, but I absolutely hate waking that big brute up for loader duty. 'Course my tasks are small compared to many other fellas too.

However, just as soon as I can find the right irons, my loader is going right back on my little gasser hydro.

Just my view,

Allan

I also had a Deere Forestry Skidder, same basic power train as 4020, same 8 speed power shift. You can hammer those those power shifts for years on shuttle work. I plowed a lot of snow, leveled and packed bunker silos with mine. You could push that thing all day, going from 3rd forward to 3 reverse, with nothing more than depressing throttle for the shift. Mine went 13,000 hours before that power shift required any repair or maintinence.

This from a farmer that owned 16 Farmalls lifetime, and after all those Farmalls, I bought this Deere and I bought it for that power shift. I think had I stayed in farming, there would have been a whole lot more Deere around. Interesting, I also did disking 20'disk, with the Deere, it wouldn't haul the disk quite as fast as 1066, however I had the ocasional 10" rock. Those cowboys I employed didn't break disk blades at 4 mph with the Deere. The Deere also used a lot less fuel per hour and per acre.

Bear in mind also, mine was bought new, and maintained by me all those years. So where my Farmalls. If it's loader or shuttle work of any kind I'd got Deere power shift. If I were buying a tractor for long days pulling heavy implements, no I wouldn't buy the power shift. Even today, I still make a note of what owners are using particular transmissions for.