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BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP

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IRONSALES

03-28-2007 09:35:27




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I am finally finishing up a tractor that i have been rebuilding for a while now and was debating on hohning the cylinders, i was wanting a "dingle-berry" hohn to use and couldn't find one cheap enough, and the parts guy suggested going to a well know machine shop, so i gave him a call and it floored me, expecting ot hear a price way outta my reach he said, $50, and he will mic the pistons, i think that now i will look at all the tractors that i find, i usually look for ones that are not stuck, but i think that with this guy i will be able to build more engines. This may just be old news t some, but its news to me and i like it.

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Aaron Ford

03-29-2007 20:02:22




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to IRONSALES, 03-28-2007 09:35:27  
I cannot remember where you are located, but for what it is worth, BAMCO of northern WV is an excellent machine shop for block, crank, head work. Heck they even rebuilt my front pivot. Turned it on a lathe. Their lathe was big enough to allow the entire front axle to "swing" as the pivot was cut. They did have to unbolt a neighboring machine to allow for the space, but they did it. Entire engine cost $490 for machine work. This included rebuilding the head, regrinding the crank, cooking the block and installing sleeves. The flywheel was in that too. Swinging a 72" axle on the lathe was less than $100. They pressed the throwout bearing for free. They also have a Ford flathead/vintage engine specialist.

Good Folks that I will do businss with again.

Aaron

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Jiles

03-28-2007 17:26:34




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to IRONSALES, 03-28-2007 09:35:27  
I am a Tool and die maker so I do all my own checking. I have also been a Mechanic for a number of my earlier years and I still do all my work. I have heard of people checking wear with a new piston ring. They did this by pushing the ring down to the bottom of the bore with the piston. This centers the ring. Check the "ring-gap" with a feeler gauge. Move the ring up to where the ridge is, or was, and check the gap. You can use this to determine wear. Circumference is 3.1416 x Diameter. It takes some math but it works reasonably well in a pinch. I have also seen people buy oversize piston rings and file the gaps to the specifications and the engines ran beautifully. But there is a LIMIT! A good machinist is a highly skilled trade that takes years of schooling or experience.

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johndeereman

03-28-2007 15:53:15




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to IRONSALES, 03-28-2007 09:35:27  
i know what you mean my (friend) got me all hyped up about shaving the head on my dc said he could do it for me ( i didnt ask he volunteered) well after waiting two months for him to get around to pick it up i called the machine shop asked how much to take .80 off he said $50 i had it at his place in less than an hour this was 1 pm he said it will be done at 10 am tommorrow that blew my mind then i go pick it up he said he could only go .50 as it was getting thin he only charged me $40 that sure beats waiting for my so called friend and spending half the dayin the shop helping him do it then offering him some money for doing it.

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Glen in TX

03-28-2007 12:02:36




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to IRONSALES, 03-28-2007 09:35:27  
You can mess up more than fix with dingle berry tools but a good hone is handy to have sometimes but it takes some learning and experience to know when to use it or take the block to machine shop. These places can sell you some tools.
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Larry NE IL

03-28-2007 11:46:35




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to IRONSALES, 03-28-2007 09:35:27  
Glad you found an honest one. A few years ago, I decided to "treat" my self since I was so busy with my business. I took an engine from a Oliver 70 to a machine shop that built racing engines. I supplied the pistons and sleves, they supplied the bearings and did all the machine work.
After having the engine for over 8 months, and $4000.00 later, I got it back with nothing installed. (governer etc). I was so mad I just let it sit for another 6 mo before reassembling. Tried to time the governer and found that it was way out of time, plus they had punched an additional 3 marks on the crank gear! He claims that they fixed it but I have lost so much intrest it's still sitting in the corner of my shop.
Some people are alive simply because it's illegal to kill them!
Larry NE IL

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Easy1

03-28-2007 11:05:46




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to IRONSALES, 03-28-2007 09:35:27  
I think that a lot of automotive machine shops are looking for work. Fewer people are rebuilding their own engines now. Rebuild kits are expensive and suppliers like Jasper offer good rebuilds with a warranty. Tractor motors are an exception. I don't think the Jaspers service that market. GM offers some good deals on engine replacement.



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george md

03-28-2007 10:52:23




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to IRONSALES, 03-28-2007 09:35:27  

50 dollars is fair trade to hone and mic .

My only comment is the dingle berry hone

that you were looking for is basically a

waste of time in a used cylinder, they do

not do anything to correct the out of round

or the taper .Spring hones are almost as bad,

to do a good job you need a rigid adjustable

one.

george



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Walt Davies

03-28-2007 10:01:18




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to IRONSALES, 03-28-2007 09:35:27  
WOW! $50 just to mic a piston or two I think i'm in the wrong business. It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to do the job and how about the cylinders is he going test them for taper. Most shops will test your pistons and cylinders for nothing hoping that they will get the job for repairs. You know if you can't feel any lip at the top of the cylinder then all you need to do is hone them out and replace the pistons with new rings if there is a lip then you have a taper so you will need to bore them out or replace the sleeves which ever is appropriate.
Walt

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Mike M

03-28-2007 10:53:12




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to Walt Davies, 03-28-2007 10:01:18  
On your lip feeling theroy ? What if it was worn out and had a ridge and someone before you removed the ridge reringed it and then sold it. Now how are you going to know where that bore is at without measureing it ????



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Walt Davies

03-28-2007 19:04:04




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to Mike M, 03-28-2007 10:53:12  
Then get a bore mike and run it down the sleeve to see if its got any taper.
I have found that the odds of someone doing that are slim to none. they usually have a big lip or they are in pretty good shape. you can put a piston in without rings and tell if its been bored or cleaned out at one time with a ridge reamer. This ain't rocket science you know. A Machinist friend of mine told me once that anything is close enough for farm equipment. Walt

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Mike M

03-29-2007 04:22:12




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to Walt Davies, 03-28-2007 19:04:04  
Remind me to not take anything to his shop.



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Don-Wi

03-28-2007 10:59:34




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to Mike M, 03-28-2007 10:53:12  
Heck, just to get the pistons out of my 1600 I had to used a ridge reamer and cut the ridge out. It got new pistons and sleeves, but still.....


Donovan from Wisconsin



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504-2

03-28-2007 18:30:32




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 Re: BLOWN AWAY BY MACHINE SHOP in reply to Don-Wi, 03-28-2007 10:59:34  
With shop rates of $75.00 to $100.00 an hour that sounds like a deal.



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