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fuel miser

03-30-2007 07:18:47

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Can anyone give me an idea of what a later model Dodge 3/4 ton pickup with an automatic gets for MPG? Is the $6K upcharge for a diesel worth it? Also, what is the price of diesel these days relative to gas... I haven't been paying attention. Does it fluctuate like gas does?

I see there's a 5.9 and a 6.7 Cummins in the new Dodges. Is the 6.7 a new motor?

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jdemaris

03-30-2007 12:40:14

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to fuel miser, 03-30-2007 07:18:47

From what I've read and been told, there's a substantial drop in fuel-mileage with the 2007 Dodge Cummins and the Chevy Isuzu Duramax. I don't have any first-hand proof, though. My neighbor just traded in his 95 Dodge Cummins that was getting a consistent 18 MPG on the highway and he bought a new leftover 2006 with the 24 valve 5.9 and six-speed trans. Best MPG so far has been 21 MPG highway. I've spoken to several Duramax owners that can't better than 14 MPG - and some older Durmax owners who get 20 plus. I've seen diesel priced a little bit less than reg. gas in parts of upper Michigan. Here in New York, diesel is usually the price of mid-octane gas - always more then reg. In regard to overall savings? When these trucks get high miles on them, and are out of warranty, they are going to be incredibly expensive to fix - unlike the older diesels that are cheap to repair. With an older GM 6.2/6.5 or Ford 6.9/7.3 you can buy brand new injection nozzles for $6 apiece, a new water pump for $50, a rebuilt mechanical injection pump for $300, etc. Try pricing such things with a newer truck and you're in for a big surprise. I'm no math-wiz, and I'd never pay 20-40K for a truck that starts to wear, rot, and depreiciate as soon as I pay for it. But, seems to me - the only way buying a new diesel is close to cost-effective - is to work it , make money with it, and sell it before the warranty is gone.
If you're buying it - just because you want one - that's a different story - can't put a price on that. I've got over a dozen diesel trucks, but they are all mechanically injected, cheap and easy to work on - but I'm still able to DO that work myself. If I had to pay someone to do it, it would not be worth it. GM, Ford, and Dodge/Cummimns are all coming out with new, small and light diesels for use in 1/2 trucks, SUVs, etc. I'm curious to see how it all works out. The diesel Jeep stuck into it's Liberty hardly got better mileage than a gas version due to all the new diesel emmissions regs.

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dad's88

03-30-2007 11:57:52

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to fuel miser, 03-30-2007 07:18:47

All depends on how much and how often you are going to pull with it. The Cummins is built to WORK. I can't imagine that todays gas engines will stand up over the long haul of pulling loaded trailers day in and day out. That Cummins is tough as nails. I have the same engine in a White tractor. Do you suppose these new gas engines (any brand) would last under those conditions, I think not. If you need to pull a lot and often, diesel is the only way to go. If not buy a gas burner.

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Billpa

03-30-2007 08:42:23

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to fuel miser, 03-30-2007 07:18:47

If you are getting a diesel just for the savings you are playing the lottery, if you have any kind of a breakdoun your savings goes out the window , the new injectors for the new Dodge are well over $ 1000 apiece and of course all the other problems that (CUMMINS) wont stand behind!!!!! I had a dowel pin come out on a 95 Dodge Cummins and of course Cummins said we didn't make the pin so it is not our fault ect,ect ,ect

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VADAVE

03-30-2007 08:34:18

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to fuel miser, 03-30-2007 07:18:47

Mileage--I get about 20 mpg with a Duramax running empty. Pulling the full 16,000 lb behind it about 12 mpg.

Pricw of diesel--Her in VA it varies a little but the bottom line is that it is aboput the same preimium grade gas.

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03-30-2007 08:24:20

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to fuel miser, 03-30-2007 07:18:47

The 6.7 is not new in that it is just a bigger 5.9 so it should be just as reliable as the 5.9. Plus it's hooked to a new (to Dodge) 6-speed auto w/OD. The addition of the in-pipe 'scrubber' (Particulate Emissions Trap) and EPA-mandated ECM changes for the new emissions regulations necessitated the increase in displacement to maintain torque/horsepower levels at the 5.9 level. The 'new' 6.7 also incorporates a variable-vane turbocharger which also provides braking similar to an exhaust brake but comes as part of the package rather than an as an add-on extra-cost accessory. Unlike GM, Dodge still offers the 6-speed manual as well but the 6-speed auto/6.7 engine combination that I test drove was impressive and I am a manual-
shift guy. With my 2005 5.9/6-speed I average around 18 mpg daily driving and 20+ on the road at 65-70 mph; I believe the auto would be comparable. I made a 2500 mi. trip when the truck had only 5K on it and averaged 16.5 with a 5000# trailer behind. This was from Colo. to Wash. state and it never slowed down no matter the grade or headwinds; speeds were kept within 5 mph over posted limit. Is the diesel worth the extra money? Oh, yeah! :-)

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03-30-2007 08:06:15

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to fuel miser, 03-30-2007 07:18:47

I have owned a new dodge 5.9 since labor day weekend. I love it. I get 20-21 mpg on freeway and when I pull my 20 ft. enclosed on our 1000 mile round trip for hunting with 2 wheelers, and 14 days of supplies for 5 men, and hopefully a couple of deer on the way home, I get over 16. That is with a standard cab, 6 speed manual and no dually. I think that the decision comes to whether or not you need the torque or not, and if you need engine longevity. The 5.9 is indestructable and has been around longer than dirt. I don't know anything about the 6.7. I don't know why you would fix something that isn't broken, but they did. Make sure you get a 06 or later because of the ultra low sulfer fuel, or at least run Power Service conditioner year-round. It's well worth the effort.

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03-30-2007 08:20:44

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to CH, 03-30-2007 08:06:15

P.S. I"ve never talked to anyone that has "chipped" a truck and said that it was worth it.

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03-30-2007 08:15:02

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to CH, 03-30-2007 08:06:15

P.S. I"ve never talked to anyone that has "chipped" a truck and said that it was worth it.

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03-30-2007 08:29:37

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to CH, 03-30-2007 08:15:02

Yeah, contrary to the ads any mileage increases are pretty much non-measurable. Sure are fun for 'immature horsepower displays' though! :-)

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Steven@AZ

03-30-2007 07:48:03

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to fuel miser, 03-30-2007 07:18:47

You need to decide if the $6000 up-charge is worth it for a diesel...

My brother is making around 17mpg in his 06 Cummins with a 6-speed. His 98 12-valve mechanical Cummins makes 20 mpg if you keep it under 65mph.

Here are some thoughts on whether you will save money on a diesel, using current prices for gas and diesel in my area of NW AZ: (please keep in mind I rounded some numbers)
Gas: $2.65
Diesel: $2.85
Gas pickup makes 14 mpg and will use 7143 gallons in 100k miles costing you $18,929.

Diesel makes 18 mpg and will use 5555 gallons in 100k miles costing you $15,832. The diesel will save you $3097 in 100k miles on fuel.

So you need to drive about 200,000 miles to break even on fuel cost vs. up-charge for diesel engine. The difference will change depending on how often you pull a load because the diesel should do better mileage than gas with a load. If you are constantly pulling a load, the diesel is a no-brainer. But if you pull a load, say 20% of the time - you're not really coming out ahead.

I had a similar situation with my vehicles in the last year - had a car that made 42 mpg and just couldn't sell it because "it saved us SO much money on fuel!" In the end, the fuel savings barely covered what it cost to insure and maintain the car - so I sold it. In conclusion, I won't be buying a diesel to save money. Here ends my $2.65 worth...

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the tractor vet

03-30-2007 07:40:14

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to fuel miser, 03-30-2007 07:18:47

Well i owen a 95 Dodge 3500 4x4 and all my buddys owen later Dodge 3500 4x4's with the cummins and we all get between 14-18 mpg and a couple of them have spent the BIG bucks on the supposely up grades like the custom exhaust computer chips and being realistic after all the money spent all they did see was a power gain. As for milage increase nothing noticeable . When i got mine i bought it used and abused and she was getting around 10 and at the time i realy did not know much about that engine . So i started asken people that i knew about it , One guy was head service manager at the local Cummins shop and the other one was a guy that i know that owens Pittsburg Power or the old Diesel injection out of Pa. the renoned Cummins Hot Rod shop as Bruce and i go back a few Moons . On mine all i did was do a valve adjustment and reset the pump timeing and opened up the pump and increased the topend RPM to 3250 and i did gain 5 MPG and that is the best that it will do on a 4.10 gear . My one buddy has and 02 with the 3.54 gear with 5 speed the big exhaust the chip and a aluim. flatbed on his and he gets 17-18 , on a 3/4 ton being realistic with a 5-6 speed with the 3.54 gear well tuned ya may see in the 19-20 . As i said MAY see that. as for the extra cost of the diesel now today with the price of fuel running in the 2.70 -2.90 a gallon range about the same price of hightest gas compaired to a 3/4 ton gasser getting 13-15 on 87 octain at todays prices at the pump of in this area 2.699 you do the math . Oh BTW my Dodge diesel is setting and i have been driven and old junky 87 Ford ranger that gets 18-20 mpg on the cheap stuff .

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Mike M

03-30-2007 07:35:02

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to fuel miser, 03-30-2007 07:18:47

I have a 96' 2500 4x4 ext cab with the 360 gas and in the summer get 13 mpg to and from work and a few stop lights and drive throughs everyday too.Never had it on the open road without a trailer. I can pull a pretty good load,more than it will really stop,and only need 5qts of oil and a cheap filter at an oil change. Gas around here Ohio is still about less than diesel at the pumps. Mpg in winter is 10-11 ? worst ever was 7.5 mpg trailer loaded both ways. so far 167,000 miles and counting.

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RustyFarmall

03-30-2007 07:32:31

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to fuel miser, 03-30-2007 07:18:47

Diesel fuel usually runs anywhere from 20 cents up to 50 cents per gallon more than gasoline. Is the $6K upgrade worth it? In my opinion only if you keep the truck for the rest of your life or if you put on in excess of 100,000 miles per year.

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PGpower

03-30-2007 07:24:00

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Re: Dodge/Cummins late model mileage in reply to fuel miser, 03-30-2007 07:18:47

i have an '05 5.9L. about 18 mgh to and from work. in my opinion, the diesel is worth every penny. i don't know for sure yet, but I think my cost/mile will be about the same with this pick up as my last gas pick up.

6.7L is the new engine. I think the same power/torque, just new emissions and less mpg.

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