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Old..Tap/drill guide

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Keith-OR

04-04-2007 10:22:47




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Rich, seen your post on another forum on what size bit you would need to thread for 1/4 in. bolt. I have been using this for quite some time now, hope it will help you and others..:>)

According to guide, you will need to use 3/16 bit to get 95% thread depth

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Keith & Shawn

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Dave_Id

04-04-2007 18:06:16




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 Re: Old..Tap/drill guide in reply to Keith-OR, 04-04-2007 10:22:47  
The simplest yet is the old rule of thumb, tap drill size equals the diameter minus the pitch. 1/4-20, 20 threads per inch. 1 divided by 20 equals .050. So .250-.05 equals .200 inch which is about 13/64s. Works for every thread.



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Billy NY

04-04-2007 17:33:06




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 Re: Old..Tap/drill guide in reply to Keith-OR, 04-04-2007 10:22:47  
Old, did you see the pull out values I listed in my previous post ? Those are averages from real tests in similar thickness material. I am lookng at the manual again and will use 3/16" mild steel for the substrate,( what you are fastening to ) 3/16" is the closest thickness, the 10 gauge I used before is really for sheet metal, but is also close in thickness.

If you use a Hilti Kwik Pro #12 screw wire gauge -14 thread pitch (#12-14) self drilling/tapping screw with a #3 point (point is sized according to the substrate fastening thickness) into 3/16" it will give an average ultimate pull out value of 2800 lbs, use a #1/4"-14 self drilling screw it will give you 3850 lbs average ultimate pull out value in 3/16" steel. These values will drop slightly for 1/8" steel, as it's 1/16" thinner, but still very strong for that application.

If you are set on drilling and tapping, that thread pitch of 14 ought to work for a 1/4" dia. bolt, you just need to size it for tapping, what size tap for a 1/4"-14 bolt is what I'd be looking for, if 14 is not available 16 would work. The finer the thread, the thicker material you need to fasten too.

Those self tappers will perform and eliminate tapping and reaching under or up to put nuts on and tighten, they even make em in stainless, but are also offered in 6 different finishes in carbon steel, corrosion resistance is good with the galvanized finishes and up using 48-144 hours salt spray tests which is fine for that application. Black oxide finish has the least corrosive resistance.

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Jiles

04-04-2007 11:55:26




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 Re: Old..Tap/drill guide in reply to Keith-OR, 04-04-2007 10:22:47  
In a pinch---A simple way to find the tap drill size for any size bolt is to simply insert different size drill bits into the same size nut, until you find the closest fit. This works especially well with number size screws.



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old

04-04-2007 11:34:18




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 Re: Old..Tap/drill guide in reply to Keith-OR, 04-04-2007 10:22:47  
Well I tried to do the down load but I can't open it once I did it so its still no good to me. Oh well I tried



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Don-Wi

04-04-2007 11:16:29




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 Re: Old..Tap/drill guide in reply to Keith-OR, 04-04-2007 10:22:47  
That much thread and you'll break the tap trying to drive it in by hand!! For the average thread- 75% is more than enough, and even less is still perfectly acceptable down to about 60% or so.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Keith-OR

04-04-2007 13:26:39




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 Re: Old..Tap/drill guide in reply to Don-Wi, 04-04-2007 11:16:29  
Don, not for as thin of material the he is drilling and taping. If I remember correctly, Rich is working with 1/8 thick material, he needs all the holding strength he can get..Might break the cheap taps in thicker material..:>)

Keith & Shawn



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