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Oliver Power

04-11-2007 00:40:58




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Hi all , I drive a 1999 chevey pick-up , with 5.3 engine. Arrived at a customers house(Retired GM man). The first thing out of his mouth was "You Don't Get Enough Air". He then proceeded to tell me about the little hole on the inside of the fender wall , which is where the motor gets all it's air. He popped the hood on his truck (5.3 engine) , and prceeded to show me the small air inlet. I had to agree. It looked way to small to me. He had installed the K&N air induction kit on his truck back in 2004. Claims he has a lot more power , and gets 22 miles per gallon. Of course , he uses his truck as a car , not a work truck. I get 14 miles per gallon empty. About 10 pulling a trailer. The K&N website claims engine HP increase of over 18 HP. Didn't notice any milage claims. These K&N air induction kits are very expensive. I've priced anywhere from $209.00 - $350.00 for the very same kit. (What a price fluctuation.) Anyways , does anyone have any experience with these air induction kits? Are they worth the money? Thanks for any information you give.

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IA1486

04-11-2007 21:31:30




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
Tried one on a 93 chevy pickup. I did not like it-foam gasket between air cleaner and throttle body-had to try to set gap between the two by adjusting self locking nuts on mounting bolts- not supposed to compress foam gasket too much- hard to do-ruined gasket also hard to remove for other maintenance work. So I did not leave on long enough to check power and mileage.



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Dean Barker

04-11-2007 20:03:09




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
Awhile back there was an air filter test (ISO 5011) on the tool talk of this forum that compared different air filters on the Chevy Duramax. In a nutshell, the K&N types improved air flow 1 to 2%, but let thru about 50 times as much dirt.



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Oliver Power

04-11-2007 17:45:33




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
I'd like to thank you all for your input. You just saved me a lot of money.



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John M

04-11-2007 17:20:20




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
He did not get his performance from the filter, but rather the reroutng of the air intake. The filter itself is not all it was cracked up to be, but there are good ones out there.



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mike3320

04-11-2007 13:20:37




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
i put one similar to a k/n in my 06 diesel. i had an airaid. the oil from the filter got on the mass air flow sensor which made truck read two different air temps from the intake at the filter to where fuel is mixed. screwwed it up shifted wrong everything fuel temp light mass air flow light tcm light. i took it out runs fine.



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MLD

04-11-2007 08:30:31




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
I don't know all the tricks, but if you pull more air in, don't you need to get more exhaust out??? If the your intake is increased & your exhaust not, would it really make any difference???



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RustyFarmall

04-11-2007 07:51:27




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
Just to add some comments to what has already been posted.

Many folks mentioned that if it was such a great deal, why didn't GM just install it in the first place? Well, I really don't have the answer to that, but I do remember back in the '70s when all of our new cars had to meet the new emmisions restrictions, and most of those cars were so choked down with vacuum leaks that they would hardly run. The dealer that sold that new car could not do very much about it, but an independent auto repair shop could "re-route" those vacuum lines, plug off most of those leaks, advance the timing to where it should have been, and turn a very sluggish large V8 engine into something that was almost wild, and improve the miles per gallon, all at the same time. Go figure.

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buickanddeere

04-11-2007 14:15:01




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to RustyFarmall, 04-11-2007 07:51:27  
Those engines were so choked with emission cams, small ports, over heated intake manifolds, restrictive exhaust systems and low compression. No amount of tinkering with external components could wake them up.



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RustyFarmall

04-11-2007 17:13:05




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to buickanddeere, 04-11-2007 14:15:01  
Not true. We worked on a Dodge 1/2 ton with a 360 that would barely pull away from a stoplight, and when we were done, it would smoke the rear tires.



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buickanddeere

04-11-2007 19:36:01




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to RustyFarmall, 04-11-2007 17:13:05  
Maybe the 360 was able to smoke the rear tires when operating as it should. You found it with a failed component somewhere and bypassed around or compensated for it. Hot rodders tried from 1971 until the mid 1980's to obtain more power from emissions engines with external bolt-ons and tune-ups. Didn't work. It wasn't until computer controled fuel injection, egr, knock detection & ignition timing working along with a free flowing cat convertor that HP rating began to rise again. Manufactures were able to go back to better flowing componets and more compression.

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Stumpalump

04-11-2007 07:28:16




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
I modify every car or truck I own. You pay whats a few hundre bucks compaired to what you paid for the truck. You can add 20 hp and a good tune up and some folks can't feel it. Some folks will sware 2 hp is all the difference in the world. It's all in the seat of your pants. Removing the restrictions in your air intake may make your butt happy. If not at least you will know you stuck your nose up to the buracracy that mandated the noise reduction. Go for it!

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buickanddeere

04-11-2007 07:08:31




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
The air pipe between the throttle plate and the air cleaner is restrictive and has a couple of expansion chambers to absorb noise. I pulled the filter from my 2003 and the factory cold air intake from the fender well causes no significant restriction. Air-Raid will sell just the pipe between the factory filter and the throttle plate. It's all you need. The factory filter if clean, does not pose a significant airflow obstruction. The K&N oil mesh type filters are best left for racing engines with short life spans. They let too much dirt through for a daily driver. Many of these chrome and do-hicky products have more to do with the vehicles feel, looks, sound and the inside of your head. Not actual performance. The engine will gain more HP if you route the hot water line around the throttle plate instead of through it. Don’t plug the line as it’s needed to vent steam and vapour. More power again can be found with a programmer and turning of the torque limiter function. And leaning the w.o.t. mixture, if you run premium instead of tractor gas.

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Nolan

04-11-2007 06:06:49




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
The thing I don't like about K&N kits is the oil mist you get on your hot wire for the fuel injection.

Many oem vehicles have very restrictive air intakes, usually for the purpose of keeping noise down. How much power loss for how much noise reduction varies tremendously. There is no set rule for this one.

Have this guy show you the restriction, or pull back the fender liner and look for yourself.

OEM mufflers are another one where power is sacrificed for noise. One of my trucks had the muffler necked down internally to about 3/4" pipe diameter for noise reduction. The power loss was appreciable, to say the least.

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ironsales

04-11-2007 05:54:16




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
I have one on a 4.6 v8 runabout, and you can tell a little difference in exeleration, and hp, just make sure you can keep it clean if you get one, i also have a high flow air sensor on mine and it helps



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IaGary

04-11-2007 05:15:11




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
I'm not a engineer,just a dirt farmer and part time cowboy.

But if it was that easy to raise mileage and HP wouldn't the auto companies set them up that way from the factory?

Just wondering?????

Gary



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Rich Va

04-11-2007 05:28:56




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to IaGary, 04-11-2007 05:15:11  
No doubt about that Gary. I think it's just another gizmo for somebody to make money. Besides if you're pulling more air into the engine,wouldn't you be pulling in larger dirt particles also?



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Tim Shultz

04-11-2007 04:51:21




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
I dunno about K&N, but my dad just got a BBK cold air intake for his "07 mustang, and it does not make any more noise, raised the MPG from 27 too 33, but he has not had it on a dyno yet too see a raise (or drop) in HP.. so I would say the BBK"s are worth it... just my .02 worth Tim



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Rich Va

04-11-2007 05:05:05




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Tim Shultz, 04-11-2007 04:51:21  
The colder air temperature will actually decrease gas mileage.



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WHAT THE.....

04-11-2007 05:35:46




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Rich Va, 04-11-2007 05:05:05  
A cooler air into the engine is a denser air that makes more power resulting in less use of the footfeed and that improves mileage.

An engine is just an air pump the more air in the more air needs to get out for better performance and mpg. Start with the exhaust and THEN an intake kit. You can make yours better by just removing the glued on insulation on the fender. This will make it easier for you intake to get the coolest air possible off the front of the truck.

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IaGary

04-11-2007 05:39:15




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to WHAT THE....., 04-11-2007 05:35:46  
HHmmmm

I get better mileage in the summer(warm air)than I do in the winter(cold air).

Gary



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Fawteen

04-11-2007 08:16:00




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to IaGary, 04-11-2007 05:39:15  
Winter = more warmup idling time, more tire resistance from snow & slush, less efficient driving.

All other things being equal, cool moist air will give you more power (and theoretically, better mileage) than warm dry air.



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JoeBob/IN

04-11-2007 07:49:50




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to IaGary, 04-11-2007 05:39:15  
I think that is due to the colder oils and longer periods we usually let the vehicles idle. Cold oil will pump much harder than hot using more power to do so which leads to using more fuel. Good synthetics such as Mobil 1 or better yet Amsoil will help lessen the load there and either slow the loss or even make a gain in fuel mileage.



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frankiee

04-11-2007 03:42:57




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
When I was a teen I use to remove the air filter and housing to get more power. Makes more noise and added no extra power or ecomomy. I put the filter back on the car. Try it and see what you gain before spending that amount of money.



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RustyFarmall

04-11-2007 02:55:17




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
Here's a link to a website where I have gleaned some knowledge on that subject. If you scroll down the page, there is a forum for just the gassers. Those K&N filters do not get a very high rating anywhere on that board, but there are several ideas on how to increase the air flow.



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KNEEDEEP

04-11-2007 05:37:09




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to RustyFarmall, 04-11-2007 02:55:17  
Excellent post and excellent site. Dou you post their at all?



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RustyFarmall

04-11-2007 06:12:32




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to KNEEDEEP, 04-11-2007 05:37:09  
I think I have made maybe 3 or 4 posts on that site. Mostly just read and gain useful hints. My habdle on that board is "tractorhauler"



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Allan In NE

04-11-2007 00:55:46




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Oliver Power, 04-11-2007 00:40:58  
The wife's '99 Yukon had one of those noisey things on it when she bought it.

Drive ya nuts listening to all that air and dirt entering your engine. I mean, they are loud like you wouldn't believe!

Allan



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Vern-MI

04-11-2007 02:39:47




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Allan In NE, 04-11-2007 00:55:46  
The first thing that comes to mind is how on earth did the great minds at GM miss an opportunity to improve their CAFE numbers by simply installing this one little change on their production model vehicles. Car companies will kill for a tenth of a mile increase in fuel mileage and yet it seems GM missed this opportunity? I think not.

Son put one of those on his 2002 F250, 5.4 liter and other than spending slightly under $300 and having added some chrome under the hood it was a total waste requiring additional service and cost for oiled cleaner elements.

It seems something is rotten in Denmark!

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Allan In NE

04-11-2007 03:04:35




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Vern-MI, 04-11-2007 02:39:47  
The good part is when you go back the other way.

Think I dropped something like $700 between the aftermarket dual exhaust and that darned air filter to get it back to normal.

Allan



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IaGary

04-11-2007 05:22:34




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to Allan In NE, 04-11-2007 03:04:35  
Daul Exhaust???

I bought a 03 F250 gasser with after market daul exhaust. Had 35,000 miles on it. At 50,000 I had to put on new exhaust to replace the daul because it rusted out.

Muffler shop says it runs to cold to keep the moisture out with daul.

Went back to single.

1995 Dodge had 140,000 and had the original exhaust.

Gary



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Rich Va

04-11-2007 05:34:21




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 Re: KN air induction kit in reply to IaGary, 04-11-2007 05:22:34  
Yea my last two Chevys had stainless steel exhaust from the factory,so should pretty much wear out the vehicle.



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