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Dave from MN

04-21-2007 05:35:59

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I had heard from a freind the other day that ^ acres of land are paved every day of the year in Florida, mostly farm land. I am wondering how would most of you support oppose agriculture land conservation bills. I am seriously considering taking the inititave to start pressing my local and state government to start some type of bill to slow the loss off Ag land in MN, but I really do not think most people care, cause they arent aware how bad it is. They are not aware that it WILL hit there wallet when the US cannot feed it own population with it lack of ag land. Opinions? ALSO, Of my propety, I have 3 parcels. I recieved my " Notice of valuation and classification" yesterday
2 of the parcels "Market Value" doubled- NO BS, Hey, the other larger parcel increased from $255,000 to $316,000. These are 2006 to 2007 changes. These 3 parcels make up 40 acres which is my farm. I dont understand first why it is broke up in 3 parcels, second how can it increase that much when most homes are not selling and the rest are being sold for 20% less than the previous 3-4 years. I am assuming that AG land that sold across the road for $9000-$10,000 an acre that is now trying to become a rachette association development has something to do with it. My parent are 1,3 mile north with 10 acres wooded and a nice place, theirs did not increase at all. What the heck do I do, I cant dump a 40 acre farm that brings in $70,000 annually.

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Oldmax

04-22-2007 19:12:24

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to Dave from MN, 04-21-2007 05:35:59

Don't sound to unreasonable to me I have 55 acres here in "Almost Have Nothing" WV no buildings 2/3 hillside that a billie goat would have trouble standing on and because I mow the flats about 20 acres they call it Class 2 and I pay a little over $600.00 . This is for property that has been in the family for 100 years . My father bought from my Grandfather in 1955 for $3500 . There is no income from this piece of land , I could understand if there was & it is so far out that you can't get law inforcement to come out if you have trouble you call them & 3 or 4 days later they might show up to make a report . They have carried off every thing I had there Dearborn hayrake , Dearborn Two row corn planter. Dearborn Tandem Disk , 400' #6 Service Drop Alum wire to Camper site even cut wireing out of Camping shelter . At least you are getting something for your money .

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rrlund

04-22-2007 12:17:03

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to Dave from MN, 04-21-2007 05:35:59

I read below somebody saying the world was overpopulated,and so on. Heard just a few years ago that if you took everybody in the WORLD,put them in one place,gave them a 2 foot by 2 foot place to stand,they would only cover an area the size of Jacksonville Florida. It's just that everybody wants their piece of the American dream. I don't know how your assesment system works in Minn., but here in Michigan,the state does a sales study every year and assesments are based on actual sales,averaged over an entire county. It is illegal to assess an individual parcel by its selling price.As for your 3 parcels,again,here in Michigan those could be combined for tax purposes just by asking township assesor to do so.I know that doesn't answer everything,but it's all that I have. Somebody from your state will have to answer the rest. I'd go to Board of Review if I was in your shoes. I'm chairman of our local board,most who come in just have questions such as yours. As for preservation,it sickens me to see it developed too,but the alternative would be the government taking away the value of my land by limiting its use.

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Eric SEI

04-21-2007 18:42:00

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to Dave from MN, 04-21-2007 05:35:59

Fortunately here in Indiana our state government usually supports agriculture. Our property tax valuations are set by the state at I think $1080/acre, so no matter what neighboring land is selling for farmers will not see their taxes go up. When the state changes valuations taxes will go up, but it won't just be near the cities.

Tax rates are a different story of course.

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Jim Johnson

04-21-2007 09:56:14

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to Dave from MN, 04-21-2007 05:35:59

I wish you luck, you're going to need it seeing as how the Supreme Court made it a law that your land can be taken for whatever reason some developer deems fit.

Jim

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E.B. Haymakin'

04-21-2007 08:25:43

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to Dave from MN, 04-21-2007 05:35:59

I wish I had a digital camera. The eighty acres next to me that was once prime hay acreage is now fully inderway to a subdivision. Just a month ago it was still a haylot, within that time more concrete is layed out there than I can believe. It makes me sick. In my once rural community we now have 8-15 new subdivisions, more on the way, and few of the houses are selling. The one's that are selling are people trying to get out of the cities. Makes me sick also, and your right. We will pay big time, and sooner than later.

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Eric SEI

04-21-2007 19:04:33

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to E.B. Haymakin', 04-21-2007 08:25:43

I heard yesterday that one of Cincinnati's largest home builders just went under because homes aren't selling.

Sometimes there is good news.

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Allan In NE

04-21-2007 08:32:49

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to E.B. Haymakin', 04-21-2007 08:25:43

Yes,

Been saying this since I was 9 years old.

This county, heck even the world for that matter, is grossly overpopulated and getting worse by the minute.

Nobody seems to care; just keep having those babies like a litter of jack rabbits. :>)

Allan

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55 50

04-21-2007 10:37:49

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to Allan In NE, 04-21-2007 08:32:49

"just keep having those babies" I don"t think that"s the problem. US birth rate is below 2.0 which means our population is slowly shrinking. (2.0 means staying constant; a couple has 2 children to replace them) A more likely problem is that more and more people are trying to crowd into certain areas ("more desirable"). I grew up in North Dakota and when I go back to visit that area I see most of the towns are dying and you can be sure no one is laying concrete on that farm land. The whole county where I grew up, now has a population of about 1800. When I was growing up there, the county seat town had over a 1000 people.

Don"t get me wrong, I"m fully in support of people who don"t want to see ag land taken for development of homes and businesses.

I haven"t actually studied US population growth so maybe it is still growing due to our large amounts of new folks coming in from other world areas that have higher birth rates.

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Dave from MN

04-21-2007 15:08:38

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to 55 50, 04-21-2007 10:37:49

Sooooo, what can $500,000 get a guy to farm in the Dakota's. I will pull up anchor if I have to.

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55 50

04-21-2007 16:49:18

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to Dave from MN, 04-21-2007 15:08:38

I have three cousins farming in north central ND, one on the place my grandfather homesteaded in 1901. I"ll ask them what land is selling for as I haven"t been keeping track of that. I do know that lots of older farmers who have "retired" hang on to the land and rent it rather than selling so I"ll also ask the cousins if there is land for sale. I knew of one operation about 3 years ago that was operating on 12,000 acres, most of it rented.

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TomH in PA

04-21-2007 08:16:53

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to Dave from MN, 04-21-2007 05:35:59

It's probably worth talking to a real estate lawyer about whether you can protest the change in valuation, especially if you didn't make any improvments last year.

Here in PA you can donate the development rights to your land to a conservancy organization, which will give you a tax break and should lower the assessed value.

But don't believe anything I say; talk to someone who knows the laws in your state.

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georgeky

04-21-2007 07:06:38

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to Dave from MN, 04-21-2007 05:35:59

I read that a strip of land more than a mile wide the entire length of the country from coast to coast was paved over every year. The tax deal is getting quite ridicules. Here we have a Toyota plant that has never paid taxes to the state. It has been here since the mid 80s. The other day they announced a new line of cars were going to be built there and the state gave them another tax incentive package. Why are they special? Shouldn't they have to pay taxes too? In short the farmers are up the creek. Progress,progress,progress.

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midwest redneck

04-21-2007 17:10:45

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to georgeky, 04-21-2007 07:06:38

It is too bad that the big three arent smart enough to get a no tax deal like that.

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Easy1

04-21-2007 20:56:26

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to midwest redneck, 04-21-2007 17:10:45

Yeah, the state of texas just built Toyota a truck plant.

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Dave from MN

04-21-2007 05:41:36

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to Dave from MN, 04-21-2007 05:35:59

That would be 6 acres land paved every day in Florida, Also I could get no data of ag land lost from the NRCS office or the USDA office, or the farm service office. Figured they would have some data for me to go on. Also, when I stated my concern they all sad" Well.... there is alot of pressure to develop because of our location from st. Cloud and the twin cities". Money, money ,money. Seems if it aint run crooked, it aint run at all. And yes I am quite pissy bout this, cause I love farm life and I really value Ag land. Ya'll cant play with yer tractors on a 1/4 acre lot can you, it would be against association bylaws. What a future , huh

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jack-iowa

04-21-2007 05:51:31

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Re: Farm Land future..... and taxes. LONG in reply to Dave from MN, 04-21-2007 05:41:36

yep its a shame but too little too late. it has been about money for a while now. how are the city, county and state emplyees suppose to get their raises and benefits if they do not take lower taxed ag land and turn it into residential lots? the commercial propeties get all the tax breaks and incentives to show up and you mean you want to eat? whats that? Isn't that where venuzuala,brazil and china come in?

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