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Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night

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in-too-deep

04-25-2007 10:42:42




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Town called Seward about 15 miles from me had a big anhydrous spill the other day. It's amazing no one was killed.




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Traditional Farmer

04-26-2007 00:33:14




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to in-too-deep, 04-25-2007 10:42:42  
After reading all these posts I can't believe you still want to put the stuff on your land



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GeneMO

04-26-2007 10:40:18




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to Traditional Farmer, 04-26-2007 00:33:14  
The is nothing wrong with it Traditional Farmer. It is just the best, most affordable source of Nitrogen. If handled properly, by someone trained to us it it is fine. I have put it on thousands of acres over the years and not had problem one. Just have to use proper safety equipment and be careful.

As for the Meth heads, I hope they all fry.


Gene



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paul

04-26-2007 09:17:40




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to Traditional Farmer, 04-26-2007 00:33:14  
Only in concentration it sucks all water it can find. Otherwise it is very inert & not harmful to anyone - once it finds enough water to attach to. The 'burn' is from it sucking water up.

You handle much less overall product as it is mostly N; and in many regions it is much cheaper than the granular or liquid lower concentration stuff. No salt, either.

--->Paul



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Howard H.

04-25-2007 18:44:41




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to in-too-deep, 04-25-2007 10:42:42  

A few years ago, a guy tried to start a fertilizer business here in Stratford, TX. Got a big bulk tank and set it on railroad tie blocks.

BUT, he had the ties under the ends of the skids on the tanks, not directly under the supports between the skids and the tank.

When they started filling the tank from a railroad car, it worked great until it got too heavy, bent the toes of the skids up, and then broke the fitting out of the end of the tank...

It spewed enough ammonia they had to evacuate the town...

It made Paul Harvey news... As if that was anything to brag about...

HH

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glennster

04-25-2007 12:06:32




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to in-too-deep, 04-25-2007 10:42:42  
howdy in to deep!! they had one in bolingbrook il couple days ago. farmer was pulling two tanks down the road, one started leaking. news report says police were investigating why he was in possesion of ammonia. silly city cops....its called FARMING!!!!!



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in-too-deep

04-25-2007 13:23:51




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to glennster, 04-25-2007 12:06:32  
What in the heck was he doing with anhydrous in Bolingbrook? I didn't think there was any farm ground in that far. I'm sure if there is, there won't be in 2 or 3 years, but that's another story for another day.



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glennster

04-25-2007 13:45:33




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to in-too-deep, 04-25-2007 13:23:51  
still a couple farms left there, mostly patches of 80 acres here and there. tough to go down the road with a combine tho..... too many one finger salutes



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KIP in MX

04-25-2007 12:03:36




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to in-too-deep, 04-25-2007 10:42:42  
We had a neighbor who was trying to fix a leak on a 500 gal tank and broke the valve off. He got covered with it and burned bad but lived. The cloud of ammonia drifted across his cotton field and killed several acres of it. That is some nasty stuff!



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Bob

04-25-2007 10:58:32




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to in-too-deep, 04-25-2007 10:42:42  
Were the local "meth heads" lined up with their "buckets"?

Just a couple of days ago, a "nurse tank" containing 2-1/2 tons of the stuff came unhooked, and rolled over on the county road only about 1/2 mile from my farm. None was released, but it was a scary sight.

When I farmed, and used the darned stuff, we were always a careful as could be, yet there's always SOME WAY the darned stuff will hurt you.

I got sprayed in the face once (thankfully not BADLY) when I was carrying an "empty" hose, and accidently bumped the valve against something.

I was not wearing face protection, as there was not even a tank on the farm at the moment, and I was not being cautious 'cause I didn't realize there was NH3 trapped in the hose by a quick-coupler at one end, and a valve at the other.

That stuff will REALLY clear out your sinuses!

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fixerupper

04-25-2007 11:26:43




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to Bob, 04-25-2007 10:58:32  
I always wonder how the 'meth heads' can get that stuff into an open pail without killing themselves. It comes out of that hose under a lot of pressure and no matter where you stand it will find a way to swirl around your body and get to your face. Jim



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RayP(MI)

04-25-2007 16:23:50




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to fixerupper, 04-25-2007 11:26:43  
Meth manufacturers don't use open containers, they download it into closed containers like 20# propane tanks. We had an incident here in West Michigan where crack theives had a failure, and substantial amount was leaked - Lost several head of livestock outright, more had to be put down. Heartbreak time for farmer. Don't know if he ever got compensated for his losses, or if they ever caught the culprits. There is a bright pink die that can be added to the ammonia that marks everything it contacts, makes meth unsalable, but it is quite expensive. Most farmers opt not to go to the extra expense.

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fixerupper

04-25-2007 18:24:31




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to RayP(MI), 04-25-2007 16:23:50  
Most of them do use pressurized containers, but a few don't. I saw a pic of one driving a van down the road while holding an open pail of anhy out the driver's wondow.I'ts scarry what that stuff does to their minds.Jim



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RayP(MI)

04-25-2007 16:07:51




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to fixerupper, 04-25-2007 11:26:43  
Meth manufacturers don't use open containers, they download it into closed containers like 20# propane tanks. We had an incident here in West Michigan where crack theives had a failure, and substantial amount was leaked - Lost several head of livestock outright, more had to be put down. Heartbreak time for farmer. Don't know if he ever got compensated for his losses, or if they ever caught the culprits.

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Bob

04-25-2007 11:37:41




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to fixerupper, 04-25-2007 11:26:43  
COLD helps!

No, I'm not into meth, but have worked with NH3 on the farm, plus I am a certified refrigerant technician, and have worked with it in that field, as well.



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Greg_Ky

04-25-2007 11:28:52




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to fixerupper, 04-25-2007 11:26:43  
They use #20 LP tanks.



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BLinWMi

04-25-2007 16:55:29




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 Not always in reply to Greg_Ky, 04-25-2007 11:28:52  
The meth makers aren't always bright enough to use converted 20 lb cylinders. Here in West Michigan my dad is on a state under cover drug task force and has been involved in finding several meth labs. It is more common to see the dirtballs use the cheap styrofoam white coolers to haul NH3 in. Have even seen a few places where they use big Thermoses for transport. After being exposed to it on the farm, I sure don't get how they can even work around the stuff, no matter what way the wind is blowing.

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mjbrown

04-25-2007 11:39:37




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to Greg_Ky, 04-25-2007 11:28:52  
They use stryofoam ice chests! The police have arrested several of them up here in CNY from the Sayre PA. area and the guys will be sitting in the back seat of a car with a cooler full of the stuff on their laps! The cops ought to give the car a good hard tap on the back bumper with the cruiser.



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dhermesc

04-25-2007 13:12:32




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to mjbrown, 04-25-2007 11:39:37  
In Salina Kansas one place leaves out an anhydrous tank with a little propane in it as "bait". Ever wonder why their labs explode so often?



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RayP(MI)

04-25-2007 16:28:21




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 Re: Local Anhydrous Ammonia Spill Monday Night in reply to dhermesc, 04-25-2007 13:12:32  
Other ingredients in meth making are very volatile, can be explosive in right air/fuel concentrations.



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