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james braley

04-26-2007 10:14:36

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this hole anti gun thing got me riled up last nihgt and i am going to buy a pistol. my qustian is what caliber? i want to have a personal defense wepon but i want the amo to be cheap enoug to plink around with it. i was thinking 22. iknow it isent as powerful as some others but its still leathle.

thanks james

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nate in mo

08-04-2007 12:39:03

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

A .22 is not a good defence weapon but is cheap I would go with a 38, 9mm, or 357.

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swarmory

04-27-2007 19:26:15

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

Just a little history, I am a certified CCW instructor in Arizona and a NRA Training Counselor for basic handgun, rifle, shotgun, personal protection, home firearms safety and reloading. I am also certified Glock armorer and law enforcement transistion instructor. 1. A shotgun is a good defense gun for 10 yards and longer BUT most defensive shooting occur at 10 FEET or closer. VERY LITTLE IF ANY SPREAD ON THE SHOT. Not even with a 18 in cylinder bore. 2. Long guns are very easy to take away from someone at up close and personal ranges. 3. Buckshot or slugs will go through two or thre double sheetrock walls IF you don't hit a stud. If you do hit the stud the projectiles will retain enough energy to kill someone on the other side of the first wall. 4. A handgun loaded with good Jacketed Hollow Points (except in New Jersy) is the best choice for personal protection. 5. Revolver or pistol? Depents on how much you will be practicing. Revolver is easier to become proficient with but if you practice enought a pistol has its benefites. 6. Caliber? The largest that you can quickly and reliablely hit your target. There are reasons why law enforcement are leaving the 9MM for the .40cal, and why military spec ops never willingly adopted it and are returning to the 45ACP.

When was the last mass killing in a gunshop, police station, shooting range or any other place where people are liable to be armed? The occur in UNARMED VICTIM ZONES.

George E Hentz

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the Unforgiven

04-26-2007 21:08:31

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

I really like the old govt. 1911 .45 ACP, it has pretty well proven it's reliability, and it means business without ripping your wrist off.

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Old Timer in Ohio

04-26-2007 19:40:04

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

I once had a young "lady"tell
me. "If I shoot someone,I don't
want to pi** them off, I want to drop them". Get at least a
9mm or a .357 for self defence
Bob
God Bless

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farmerweber in PA

04-26-2007 18:44:48

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

Interesting conversation.Like they said before,shotgun at close range is pretty much unbeatable,even with low brass bird shot.I"ve got a Ruger .22 convertible revolver and it"s a good shooter but I wouldn"t stake my life on it.I also have a .44 Redhawk.I shoot mostly reloaded .44 specials out of it.Very cheap to shoot reloads.Would like to buy a Colt Commander .45 or a Charter Arms Bulldog .44 special for a carry gun.Redhawk is just too bulky.Just thought I would put in my 2 cents worth.

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1936

04-26-2007 15:10:12

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

James go back and have the rest of the bullet taken out of your pumkin. Sara dust off James every once in a while for another hand out. Gun control works in Japan just ask the mayor. Oops.

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zaqz

04-26-2007 15:04:31

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

If close quarter self protection is all you are interested in, no handgun in the world comes close to a 12 ga 00 buck shot riot gun. I am saying this from personal experience. 13 33cal pellets are bad *ss. a single handgun bullet shot under stress can easily miss its target.

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kito169

04-26-2007 14:57:52

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

Looking at the name on the posting and the misspelling I think you are putting us on. If I'm wrong I apoligize. I go along with Old. I've had ruger 44 mag since 1973. I reload my own shells. I like it so well because of its accuracy. most accurate hand gun I have ever owned.

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Mr. Bob

04-26-2007 14:52:10

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

I usually carry my .38 special Charter Arms 2" barrel when I'm cutting wood. It holds 5 shots, is very reliable and compact. I have no trouble hitting a 12 oz. beverage can with it at 50 feet. I reload .38 special as well as several other calibers, thusly I practice a lot.

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know better

04-26-2007 18:31:57

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to Mr. Bob, 04-26-2007 14:52:10

If you can hit A pop can at 50 feet with A 2 inch barrel you should be shootin for USA in the Olympics

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Eddie Bolch

04-26-2007 14:47:55

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

If you are going to mess with the anti gun crowd, why not go all the way and get several. After 40 yrs of practice, I started with the Ruger 22 convertible, learned to use it , no recoil, cheap to shoot, easy to teach the wife & kits, trigger control & sight picture. Then moved up to the Ruger 38/357. The 38 shoots great with the right reloads. When you get serious, the 357 will bark louder and bite harder. The wife can still handle it accurately. That is about as much as I want for household protection because anything bigger may penetrate walls to other houses. If you really want to load up for bear... the 44 mag shoots either regular 44 special that you can load for fun shooting then put the magnums in for serious self defense. All are Rugers just because they all function the same, and feel the same in the hand so there is less confusion in handling and sighting. I carry a 45 auto when traveling because if needed, the second, third shot time is there with less concentration for the normal person. Factory loads are more economical if you are only going to do a little practicing. If you want to reload, the initial $ outlay is there and the lerning curve. Also it is possible to mess up not only the load but the gun and the person. Go slow, check your loads often. Enjoy.

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Alex-41JDb

04-26-2007 14:45:20

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Baby Browning in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

45 Glock is my fav, but hard to be accurate with. 38 Special is a powerful gun that is extremely easy to be accurate with. Now if you want the coolest compact gun ever find a baby browning 25. Now that is a cool compact.

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old

04-26-2007 13:07:51

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

My self I have a 44 mag, ammo is cheap enough for it but thats because I relaod the stuff. You can buy a good cheap reloader for around $150 and in the long run it will pay for its self. I'm set up to reload 5 plus sizes and it does help keep the cost down.

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james braley

04-26-2007 13:01:38

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

thanks guys for all the information. i think im going for semi auto 9mm. just not anough nockdown power in a 22.

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RayP(MI)

04-26-2007 19:09:39

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 13:01:38

The standard NATO round for handguns is the 9mm. It is a very effective round. Many are caught up in the "Bigger is better" rat-race. My suggestion is that you go to a gunstore where they can allow you to shoot several calibers and find the ones you can shoot comfortably. .22 Is enough to do serious damage. A police officer friend of mine lost his life to one. However, it is probably light for self defense. I would suggest something in the .35 cal size - .38, .357, 9mm. Heavy enough to be effective, light enough to be controllable, and fun to shoot. (PS my daughter and I shoot and carry .9mm, reload all own ammo, most with own cast bullets.) Very confident I can do a good job with 9mm. With a 15 round magazine, I can send a lot of lead in a hurry.

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Walt Davies

04-26-2007 12:42:01

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

I have a T/C Contender great single shot pistol that has interchangeable barrels I have 5 right now. A 30/30 for protection and a 17/223 Wildcat for plinking. Also a 22 hornet that a nice cartridge but bullets are hard to find now.

The basic gun cost a lot but you can find older used one at guns shows for not an arm and a leg.

My 17 is 4000 FPS it can kill most anything from the high speed shock. but has little kick.

The 30/30 will take your arm off every time you pull the trigger.

I also a S&W 38 snub nose it about useless as a Bore Hog. If you are in the same room an fire all 5 shots you could maybe nick the guy.
Walt

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Davis In SC

04-26-2007 14:29:32

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to Walt Davies, 04-26-2007 12:42:01

Walt, the Contenders are nice, I have a 2 with a bunch of barrels. I really like the 410 shotgun barrel, fun to shoot clay birds with. One day I am going to get a 45-70 barrel... Big Kicker

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Walt Davies

04-26-2007 19:23:46

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to Davis In SC, 04-26-2007 14:29:32

Big kicker, My brother has the 45/70 for his I used to have the 45 long colt/410 it would kick hard to I got small hands an arthurs-itis so I can't shoot the big ones any more. Walt

PS I have 44 mag and 357 mag also.

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Don L C

04-26-2007 14:13:46

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to Walt Davies, 04-26-2007 12:42:01

Hay Walt, my dauthers compete with the local police in our area in a refresser course....their carry guns are Taurus model M-80, 2" 38 special...Its a all day test doing it all.... they got 98% and 96% with thes little guns..... now that aint to bad....
Have your gun checked by a gunsmith got to be something wrong..... .Don

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Walt Davies

04-26-2007 19:27:02

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to Don L C, 04-26-2007 14:13:46

Don its an S&W stainless model with 1.5 barrel its just a lousy shooter. Not much good for anything but show. I should have sold it when the price was way up and bought a better gun for personal use.
Walt

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Bill-KCKs

04-26-2007 11:58:42

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

IF you potentially want it for self defense, get a 9mm, .38/.357, .40, or .45 ACP.

The great thing about a .357 Mag revolver is you can practice with cheap .38 Special and save the .357 Mag loads for business.

9mm can be shot very cheaply now, too.

I used to think that any caliber that didn't start with a "4" was useless. There's been so much advancement in bullet technology, that all of them are now about equal. But I still prefer "forty-somethings." A 9mm might not expand, but a .45 won't shrink.

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JT in Illinois

04-26-2007 11:46:06

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

Heck, go for it, get yourself a .44Mag. :>)

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Kevin (FL)

04-26-2007 11:43:48

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

My favorite is the Glock 9mm model 19. Compact size, plenty of firepower and light. The .22 caliber is OK for a plinker and has some value for self-defense but in life-or-death situations, I want more knock-down power.

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Matt Clark

04-26-2007 11:20:34

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

I prefer the 40 S&W...personal choice. Relatively cheap, and VERY cheap to reload, if that's a factor.

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ironsales

04-26-2007 10:52:41

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

i personally carry a .40 calibur, my wife carries a .380, the most versitale and all around gun would be a 9mm, my .40 is a little to much gun and is expensive to buy ammo four, the 9 is a really cheap cartarige, from me to you i would say go with a 9mm

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Da' B I G One!

04-26-2007 10:44:55

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

All good choices. I kinda favor the .45 Auto.

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Carp

04-26-2007 10:40:21

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

Depends on whether you prefer a revolver or semiauto. 22 can be had in either, and if you get a revolver you can get interchangeble cylinders so that you can shoot 22 mag as well.

For larger calibers I would go 357/38 in revolver and 9mm in semiauto.

Personally I like 45 ACP in 1911 style pistols, but they are not the cheapest to shoot.

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glennster

04-26-2007 10:53:56

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to Carp, 04-26-2007 10:40:21

i have a 1911a military 45acp. i like the gun, not too bad on ammo prices to shoot. i also use the shot loads occasionally for dispatchin a copperhead or two when down south. momma has a 380 bda for her house gun. pricey to shoot tho. i heard they make a .22 conversion for the 1911a, but i havent seen one or know how easy it is to convert back and forth. maybe you can pick up a decent big caliber house gun and a .22 for plinkin. other thing, price out ammo and buy gun accordingly. i think, 38 spec, 9mm and 45 acp are probably the least costly to shoot.

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Mike M

04-26-2007 10:38:21

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

.22's are nice for plinking and small game and low noise levels,but if you NEED to kill something like a dog or larger a bigger caliber will be needed. Hard to get enough time for a perfect shot placement.

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GeneMO

04-26-2007 10:34:41

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

One of the most popular is the 9MM. Because the military uses so much of it, the ammo can be had cheap. It still has plenty of punch and you can get all sorts of hollow point and various other self defense rounds. you can also get "frangible" ammunition that will break up if it hits walls and will not go though the walls and hit your neighbor, etc.

Just my opinion, I have .22's, .357 and 9MM and for the money the 9MM is a pretty good choice.

Gene

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Sam (Mo)

04-26-2007 10:19:46

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

James
if you want it for home protection, get a good shotgun. The racking of a shotgun will put more fear into the bad guy than a pistol. Plus depending on where you live a pistol can travel through walls into a neigbors house. But, if you reaaly want a pistol get a .32 ammo is still cheap and it does knock critters down.

Sam

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james braley

04-26-2007 10:25:18

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to Sam (Mo), 04-26-2007 10:19:46

i alredy have several shotguns. and self defense isent rellay a big problome. what i am conserned about is all these anti gun peaple trying to take away my rights thats why im buying one.

i dont want to start an anti gun war but this is how i think.

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Mr Bob

04-26-2007 15:49:34

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:25:18

I'd buy up more than one. We can't tell what those b@$tards are going to try to pull in the future.

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Brian Duffney

04-26-2007 10:18:19

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

Are you going to carry? If so then maybe a .357, or .38, or .40 S&W.

If just for plinking and such a .22 will be just fine. and ammo is cheap.

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JDB

04-26-2007 10:16:50

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to james braley, 04-26-2007 10:14:36

I like ruger single six convertible.
Shoots either 22 long riffle or change the cylinder and shoot 22 magnums

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mjbrown

04-26-2007 10:51:16

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Re: o.t. gun caliber in reply to JDB, 04-26-2007 10:16:50

Ruger makes a revolver in .17HMR that might be a fun gun. I have no experience with it in a handgun but have a rifle and it is a nice woodchuck cartridge.

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