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Cattle breeds in England

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David in Wales

05-08-2007 09:52:31




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Hi Gang;
In recent years the majority of cattle breeds in England are from Europe. The older traditional English breeds are in serious decline, many are only kept in small herds as "pets", like the Dexta & Galloway & Highland.
European beef breeds are Blonde d'Aquitaine, Charolais,Limousin, & Simmental - pure bred or crosses; these beef breeds produce more quality beef faster than traditional English breeds like Aberdeen angus, Hereford & Devon.
The dairy herds are almost entirely Holstein Fresians to-day because of their ability to produce huge quantities of milk during their lactations. Jersey, Gurnsey & Shorthorns are in the minority.
The whole way of farming has changed dramatically since the 1970's - today its "agri-business" rather than farming !
Cheers David

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Walt Davies

05-08-2007 12:38:51




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 Re: Cattle breeds in England in reply to David in Wales, 05-08-2007 09:52:31  
I raise Limousin cattle but most of my friends who used to raise them have changed over to Limi-Flex half Limousin and half Black Angus, it adds just a little more fat to the meat. I guess everything comes and goes at sometime or other. People will only buy poor meat quality for just so long an then they change back to what they like best.
Walt



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hayray

05-08-2007 11:42:00




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 Re: Cattle breeds in England in reply to David in Wales, 05-08-2007 09:52:31  
There used to be alot more Herefords around back in the 70s, then the European breeds came in pretty strong like the Limousine, Charloise, Simmetal. The packers make more money on the larger carcass that those breeds produce. We are starting to see now an increase in Angus again because there are alot of branded beef programs willing to pay a premium for cattle that will grade better. On the average the European breeds don't grade as high as the British breeds. I was told by my packer that Herefords tend to get a lot more fat as compared to lean than Angus. I think the Angus people ended up being a lot more progressive with the geneitc improvement over the years than the Hereford people. But there is still a huge demand for Hereford Bulls to put on Angus cows.

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JOHN HARMON

05-08-2007 11:03:27




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 Re: Cattle breeds in England in reply to David in Wales, 05-08-2007 09:52:31  
I was raised on a farm at Ottawa ILL. The Farm's name was "Ottawa Guernsey Farm-Home of Dayton Dairy" I knew of other Breeds besides Guernsey but our world revolved around these light orange and white,gentle Creatures.The Owners of the Farm operated a Grade A whole milk processing plant on the Farm and delivered Milk to the surrounding area. They purchased Milk from our Farm and many others so there were some Friesiens and Jersey's and Shorthorn milk mixed with the Creamy Guernsey Milk. I remember one Farm had Dutch Belted Cattle but they were a Grade "B" operation so the Belted Milk went to the local Cheese Plant. Sadly or not that era is gone along with Barns and Silos and Fences.Every Town is surrounded by Houseing Tracts now and what is being Farmed is done by Corporate Operators who grow practically nothing but Corn and Soybeans with a lot of Corn being funneled into the thirsty tank of some ones Auto. I miss the "Old Days" but life goes on so here we are! Any YT Cruisers from the Ottawa area who remember the 40's to the 70's there?

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mjbrown

05-08-2007 10:29:27




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 Re: Cattle breeds in England in reply to David in Wales, 05-08-2007 09:52:31  
Thirty years ago I worked on a farm that had Guernsey cows. They had been carefully breeding their herd for 150 years . I was allowed to take milk home. Alas they no longer do so. There is no comparison to the Holstein watery milk in the stores today. Volume seems to be all that matters anymore.



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RodInNS

05-08-2007 19:13:32




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 Re: Cattle breeds in England in reply to mjbrown, 05-08-2007 10:29:27  
Milk in the stores today is skimmed to a standard butterfat, regardless of what color cow it came from.
The other side of that equation is that milk is sold on a component basis (fat, protien and lactose).... and a holstein, even with it's lower percentages, will still produce a larger volume of components than any other breed. There's a very simple reason why the holstein took over. Economics.

Rod

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low budget

05-08-2007 21:34:28




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 Re: Cattle breeds in England in reply to RodInNS, 05-08-2007 19:13:32  
I milk mostly Jerseys and cross breeds. Have a couple of Holsteins, I tell everyone I keep them to rinse out the milking machines. With multiple component pricing they have now, jerseys are becoming more popular.



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Ludwig

05-08-2007 11:35:44




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 Re: Cattle breeds in England in reply to mjbrown, 05-08-2007 10:29:27  
90% of people buy everything on price. Might even be 98%. Especially in America we've drifted so far away from really buying anything of quality.
Frequently I see posts on here "I could buy 5 of x(cheap thing) before buying 1 y(quality thing).
I've come to the point in my life where if I can't buy the quality thing I'm probably better off without. Of course to go along with it I'm not buying as much on credit...

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georgeky

05-08-2007 10:11:21




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 Re: Cattle breeds in England in reply to David in Wales, 05-08-2007 09:52:31  
Nothing eats as good as a Hereford. The black and black and white face cattle still sale better here year in and year out than most any other kind. People here are on a big Angus kick now.I have had good lick with Limousin crossed cattle as well. The dairy cows have been mostly Holstein for quite a while. They tend to produce more milk. You are right it boils down to business instead of farming.

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IH2444

05-08-2007 12:05:56




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 Re: Cattle breeds in England in reply to georgeky, 05-08-2007 10:11:21  
Jerseys seem to make the best butter. Yummy :)
Some of the large european breeds seem to have more calving problems than the herfords....



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georgeky

05-08-2007 13:21:09




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 Re: Cattle breeds in England in reply to IH2444, 05-08-2007 12:05:56  
Everything that comes from a Jersey or Guernsey is better than a Holstein. The biggest trouble with Herefords is low milk production. But there are some good ones.



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Hal/WA

05-08-2007 22:07:05




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 Re: Cattle breeds in England in reply to georgeky, 05-08-2007 13:21:09  
The other problem with milking a Hereford is that their teats are so small. We had one that gave quite a lot of milk and seemed to enjoy being handled and being milked. But it took twice as long to milk her as it did our big Holsteins. I think we milked her 3 years and then just let her raise calves.

Maybe it would work better with a milking machine, but we always hand milked.



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