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Allan In NE

05-17-2007 04:06:07




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Bear with me 'cause I've never done this before.

My mower is small; it only takes a 12' cut. I've been looking for a 16' self-compelled outfit, but quite frankly, I just cannot afford those big things. Even used, they are talking up around $25-30K for a silly mower and my ol' pee brain just totally rejects this idea.

Anyhoo, I'm just one feller, the hay (straight alfalfa) is looking like it's gonna be pretty darned heavy and I've got a fair-sized bunch of it to do.

Can the baler handle 2 12' swaths raked together? I mean, in real heavy hay? I know it works okay in light stuff, but am worried that I'll get it all ready to go and the darned baler won't gobble it.

This would gain me a day's drying time and "half" the time spent baling.

I've asked the neighbors and they look at me like, "Of course ya can, ya dummy". Two of these fellows tell me that they routinely and as a matter of course pull two 16' swaths together. Boy, that seems like an awfully lot of hay going into the throat of that baler! :>(

I'm so used to baling one 16' swath, that I just don't know any better. :>(

Thanks for your opinion,

Allan

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Bud Sather in MT

05-17-2007 15:29:16




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
Allan
When you rake the two windrows together just make sure that they are the same width as the throat on the baler. What I like about that is that there is no weaving back and forth. That skid plate can be as simple as a truck mud flap hung underneath the drawbar. Bud



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Allan In NE

05-17-2007 17:44:38




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Bud Sather in MT, 05-17-2007 15:29:16  
Hi Bud,

That's exactly what my neighbor told me to do. Get the rakes adjusted so the windrow will just fit the pickup and drive 'er straight ahead.

Think I'm gonna like this plan. :>)

Allan



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KEH

05-17-2007 15:17:20




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  

Allan,

No reason why the baler won't handle it if you drive slow enough. You will have to stop more often to wrap and eject bale.

However, consider whether or not you will save any total time. If you have had the 12 foot Haybine condition and put the hay in a swath you don't have to spend time raking it again. That time raking 2 windrows together has to be added to the baling time. Also consider extra fuel used. Now if the hay is spread out to dry, you are going to have raking time in anyway, so the only arguement is whether or not you save enough time cutting with the bigger swather.

Agree with the other posts about having an extra engine to keep up in a self propelled cutter. Anyway, you have all those wide open spaces there, so the extra maneuverability of a self propelled shouldn't be so important.

KEH

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Don-Wi

05-17-2007 22:54:46




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to KEH, 05-17-2007 15:17:20  
Not tryin to step on anyone's toes here, but ussually the time spent raking, atleast for us, 2 or more together espescially with a v-rake, is more than saved when it comes time to bale it up. Espescially true in 2nd & 3rd crops, where the hay is thinner but the tractor is already going about as fast as you dare go with a baler and load of hay behind you.

May not be as much of a difference with a big round or square baler, but I think it is. A couple years ago we hired out most of our haying to a guy who had a 3x3x8 baler, he went just as fast if it was single, double, or triple (9' cut). His baler could take it though.

Raking it, even if it has already been conditioned and windrowed can save time too, but in Nebraska where it's dry all the time it may not make as much difference.

We will double rake even if the hay is still a little damp, because the damp part is still getting exposed to the sun and air and it'll dry out quicker being double raked than it will not being raked at all and still laying where it was placed by the haybine.

Just what we do around here, your practices and beliefs may be different.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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dds-inc

05-17-2007 14:13:02




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
Allen, it will work both ways, but your tractor ground speed will be lower if you stick two 12 footers together.

Which would you rather do, go at a reasonably fast speed baling, or a very slow speed?



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Don-Wi

05-17-2007 11:27:20




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
Well, we pulled 3 9' windrows together a few years ago in some good 1st crop to beat the rain. We did it, but never again only because all we bale with is a Massey #12 baler and stack on the wagons. Had to creep along in 1st gear but it worked. Bales just shot out faster than a guy would like...

witha round baler, I'd say go for it! What gear do you go in now? May just hafta slow it down a bit, but you should be able to stuff 24' into a round baler. We now have a 14' hydra-swing and the baler handles those windrows pretty good too.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Nebraska Cowman

05-17-2007 11:05:05




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
That 855? Heck ya, it's a hay eatin' fool. The bigger windrow the better. Make a plate so the hay don't ball up under the drawbar and have at it.



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KIP in MX

05-17-2007 09:53:01




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
Allan, find yourself an old Hesston 500 (where I´m from they are called windrowers)with a 14´head. After you´ve changed all the belts and half the bearings on it, you can sit out in the open eating all the dust coming up and get off every so often to unplug it by hand if you are in heavy alfalfa. BTDT.
Ah, the good old days!



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the tractor vet

05-17-2007 09:48:18




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
Don't know about your country but back here on first cutting a 9 foot windrow is enough on a avarage year, second cutting we can get away with putting two together and even with the new to use 336 John Deere ya have to not get carried away with ground speed feeding it . even the round baler might choke on a 12 foot wind row but it is only a 4x4 as that is the best size for us.



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John (MO)

05-17-2007 09:20:27




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
I don`t see why you can`t. But if you got concerns, test her out before you rakes the whole batch up. It would be heck to try and unrake if we was all wrong.



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Jimmy King

05-17-2007 09:09:45




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
I always pulled two 12ft swaths togather, and baled with a 605F Vermeer pulled with a 756D low 4 all the time. I could have baled in high one, but just thought it was too fast. Now if you are worried maybe you should park that New Holland Hay piler and get a real round baler. Even New Holland saw the light and started putting belts on them. I know you don't have to worry about spollage like we do in Southwest, MO.

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Steven@AZ

05-17-2007 07:42:36




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
I'm not overly familiar with the NH balers, but all the JD and IH balers that I've been around will take anything that will go under the tractor. One guy even built a skid plate under his tractor so bigger windrows would slide under it.

We always rake two 16' swaths together, many are doubling 18' swaths.



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sd pete

05-17-2007 06:57:27




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
You bet it can.



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David Midkiff

05-17-2007 06:19:50




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
Hi Allen, just feed each side of your baler with a space in the middle of the windrows. Keep the sides filled up. "The middle will take care of it's self".



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RickL

05-17-2007 06:00:48




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
throw together no big deal,works best for me to throw them right beside easch other thats what works the best for big or small square bales. I walweya have two or three together all time. Keep the mouth full and any baler works better. thats why i like the bifold wheel rake cause they can lay them right beside each other reall y nice. If it rains it rains just have to turn it like any other time to dry it out

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Cliff Neubauer

05-17-2007 05:00:21




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
Just make sure it doesn't get rained on in a big windrow like that. A couple years ago a neighbor ended up with some windrows that were at least 3' tall that got rained on and I think they gave up on trying to bale them because it was impossible to get the center dried out.



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WyoDave

05-17-2007 04:37:51




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
Why not a 16' hydraswing? You've got the power to pull it. I cut 2500 acres with mine last season, and it was no problem at all. One less engine/drive system to maintain, but still 16' cut.

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Don-Wi

05-17-2007 11:30:38




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to WyoDave, 05-17-2007 04:37:51  
Amen. We've got a 14' hydra-swing and love it. Much better than going round-n-round with a typical side-pull unit.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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IaGary

05-17-2007 04:28:32




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
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That baler will take any thing that will go under your tractor axle.

When I bale it sometimes drags on the axle.

And I'm still in fourth low TA ahead baleing it.

Still got a lot of gears to go down to but don't need um.

As I said if if goes under the axle it will the baler will take it.

This was that heavy hay last year and thats 18 foot throwed together and was no problem. in 4th.

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Don L C

05-17-2007 07:26:37




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to IaGary, 05-17-2007 04:28:32  
I understood that you were not to run in lower TA...thats what makes them go out...



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georgeky

05-17-2007 09:22:36




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Don L C, 05-17-2007 07:26:37  
The TA on those tractors are hydraulic won't hurt it at all. The mechanical TAs are were you run into trouble using them going over hills.



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Allan In NE

05-17-2007 07:46:39




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Don L C, 05-17-2007 07:26:37  
'Nother old wives' tale. Doesn't make 6 eggs worth of difference where it's run. :>)

Allan



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Ken Macfarlane

05-17-2007 04:54:40




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to IaGary, 05-17-2007 04:28:32  
I live on the east coast and if we get too much rain and have a late first cut, our 9 ft wide windrows are heavier than the one pictured above. Actually when mowing last year the neighbour didn't notice the windrow dragging under the tractor on the drawbar and got herself stuck on the windrow.

We trying double raking to make an 18 ft windrow one year, what a mistake. The baler was pumping out bales with maybe 4 or 5 flakes in them. Riding the clutch in first gear to go slow enough.

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Allan In NE

05-17-2007 04:36:38




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to IaGary, 05-17-2007 04:28:32  
Okay Gary, thanks. I'm gonna give 'er a whirl.

Just didn't wanna end up on the end of a pitchfork throwin' into a hay rack. :>(

Allan



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Tim Shaw

05-17-2007 04:25:08




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
That 855 will bale a pretty big windrow.



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Allan In NE

05-17-2007 04:32:06




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Tim Shaw, 05-17-2007 04:25:08  
That must be why there is a "skid-plate" under the tongue and the hitch pin doesn't "prodrude"?

The neighbor just swears it will work. He says, if at all possible, to leave a tiny bit of a space between the two windrows.

Dunno, I think 24' of alfalfa is gonna be a pretty wide final swath?

Allan



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JMS/MN

05-17-2007 06:39:18




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:32:06  
I made one for our JD tractors by using a rectangular steel plate, strap hinges on one end that bolt to the crossbar below the drawbar. Trailing edge is held up with a light chain over the drawbar. Takes just a minute to mount in place.



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Tim Shaw

05-17-2007 04:39:52




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:32:06  
All I've ever baled is prarie hay, but our old 855s baled behind a 16 wheel V-rake. I guess you'll have to throw a couple together and make a test run.



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John S-B

05-17-2007 04:16:46




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to Allan In NE, 05-17-2007 04:06:07  
Self-Compelled? Sounds like an interesting idea, I guess it would go out and do the mowing while you sit back with a drink with one those little umbrellas in it? I actually have a Hesston 310, it only has about a 8' head, but I figure a guy like you could set up some kinda tamdem rig. ;^)



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Powerfarmer

05-17-2007 06:06:39




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 Re: Hayin' Practices in reply to John S-B, 05-17-2007 04:16:46  
Regarding hay making practices, here in ireland we dont make that much hay anymore, but round baled silage is very popular usually baled in windrows from 10' disc mowers but i have seen one guy baling the windrows from the 30' cut krone Big M mower in a lighter crop using a McHale Fusion baler



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