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Where the heck did these come from?

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IaGary

05-23-2007 20:01:47




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Ten years ago I saw my first musk thistle.

Now they are everywhere.

Even saw them in Yellowstone park 2 years ago.

How do you guys kill them in pasture that has clover and alfalfa?




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Jerry/MT

05-24-2007 14:19:31




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
I had those several years a go and when I sprayed with 2,4,-D & Dicamba (Weedmaster, Rangestar, etc) it killed them deader than a door nail. Someone mentioned HiDep and that's also good from what I hear.
You want to get them before they go to seed.



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Mark in Md

05-24-2007 10:46:36




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
They come from Walmart,in the prepackaged bird feed.Had a nice stand started in the field around where my wife feeds the birds in the winter.



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in-too-deep

05-24-2007 14:05:18




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to Mark in Md, 05-24-2007 10:46:36  
I'm pretty sure that seed is sterile isn't it?



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nballen

05-24-2007 15:18:19




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to in-too-deep, 05-24-2007 14:05:18  
Apparently not. ;-)

I've seen some pretty nasty noxious weeds sold in "mixed wildflower" packages - And I don't think it was just dirty seed.



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IaRalph

05-24-2007 07:10:23




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
Gary, I've had some success with a spray called Hi-Dep.



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IaGary

05-24-2007 10:30:04




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaRalph, 05-24-2007 07:10:23  
Oh there easy to kill with spray but try to do that without killing the clover and alfalfa.

Spot spraying works but have to be there when I'm planting corn and beans.

Tuff to find them in 2' tall hay until they get taller and head out.(:~{)

Gary



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Clint YOuse MO

05-24-2007 06:08:07




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
spray them before they go to seed I had a pasture we rented full of them last year I only sprayed one this year .

Clint



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Mike M

05-24-2007 05:20:13




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
Around here in Ohio they seem get rid of them by building a Walmart over top of them.



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highlandcowman

05-24-2007 05:15:54




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
HIGHLAND CATTLE LOVE 'EM THEY WILL EAT EVERY ONE THAT COMES UP ...LET 'EM GROW..



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TGIN

05-24-2007 02:00:28




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
I keep a loaded 2 gal. sprayer in the truck in the summer just for such enemeys . Ya gota bag them pretty flowers . I spend alot of time fightin them , I aint lost the fight but it dont seem like I`m winnin eather !!



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IaGary

05-24-2007 03:19:46




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to TGIN, 05-24-2007 02:00:28  
Same thing here ,I ain't lost the battle but it isn't gettin any better either.

I have spot sprayed them,I have spaded them and I have mowed them off. But they manage to come back in other places.

I like to find the guy that brought them here from Europe.



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TGIN

05-24-2007 03:31:41




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-24-2007 03:19:46  
Same guy that brought in the Multiflower Rose !!!!



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Jimmy King

05-23-2007 22:32:55




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
Some idiot brought them here from Europe, where they had a natural enemy a wevel, because they thought they were pretty. We had a program in Southwest Mo 20 years ago to go and collect the wevel for our farms they helped, but are not a fix all. They eat the seed out of the heads, but they leave about 2 seads per head. That a head that is in full bloom and cut it into to see if you have any wevel.

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georgeky

05-23-2007 22:15:46




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
I never heard them called that before. I thought they were Canadian Thistles. Old timers here call them nodding thistles. We have had lots of them since the early 70s. There does seem to be a lot fewer of them now than a few years ago.



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James Jackson

05-23-2007 21:41:05




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
Ia Gary - Gooday Gary . Why do you want to get rid of them ? I feel they are letting you know that your soil is out of balance - nutritionally as each paddock needs more than 50 different grasses & weeds to remain substainable viable . Might think all that sounds rather " out-there " however there is much partical agriculture & many dollars to be saved & earnt from a sound balance . If you are selling your produce and it has to be pure then I can see you would wish it wasn't there . Having said all that I do wish I was living close to you so I could come and dig it all up for you for free . It has a small but profitable market & I'd be gratefull to assist you and give you some money back for being able to market it on to customers . Good luck with your endeavorours . James in Australia , Ciao PS . I use straight raw vinager which will knock it on the head however use only on the leaf part and not the roots as vinigar increases acidity in the upper soil . james

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IaGary

05-24-2007 04:43:48




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to James Jackson, 05-23-2007 21:41:05  
Why would anyone want to buy this stuff?

What is it good for?

Cattle won't eat it and it smothers more desirable plants out.



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old

05-23-2007 21:24:28




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
Best way to get rid of them is with a shovel, before they get to the point the one in your picture is. Then put them in a bag and burn them. As that one sits if you cut it off or dig it up the flower will still go to seed, so you have to bag it up and burn it or you will have even more next year. I my state theres a law that say you have to cut them and burn them of you can get a fine for letting them grow. Old law and no one pay a mind to it any more but its on the books

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rhouston

05-24-2007 09:15:20




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to old, 05-23-2007 21:24:28  
I read about that law in N.Y. The fine was hefty too. I guess it took 100 years for them to recover.



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R.J.

05-23-2007 21:09:32




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
If you spray before they shoot up a seed head 24D will work. When they are like your picture I cut of the seed head save and burn and spray with a combiation of 24D and roundup. I use a spot sprayer, then go back in a couple days to pickup the ones you missed. Spent the better part of a week spraying those things in several pastures.



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NEsota

05-23-2007 20:52:46




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
The crown is below the soil serface. Cut them off below the crown and they do not come back. Can do this any time of year no matter there size, best to do it before the seed becomes viable.



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iowa_tire_guy

05-23-2007 20:19:23




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to IaGary, 05-23-2007 20:01:47  
A spade and about 3 trips over it a couple of weeks apart. Spent a good share of my growing up years fighting those things. Diligence is a must.



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BigMarv1085

05-24-2007 04:43:08




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to iowa_tire_guy, 05-23-2007 20:19:23  
I use 1 ounce of rememdy and 1 ounce of surfactant per gallon of water in my hand sprayer. My biggest problem is that they come from the neighbors place.



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BF8690

05-24-2007 10:52:22




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 Re: Where the heck did these come from? in reply to BigMarv1085, 05-24-2007 04:43:08  
I have that problem too. My neighbor is a double retiree. He is always on the road so I cut his grass for him. He thinks I'm being neighborly. Truth is I don't want the weeds that grows on his place.



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