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Allan In NE

07-13-2007 11:16:40

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What would happen if a fella "accidently" used farm fuel in a 2008 Super Duty Power Stroke with the new 6.4 diesel?

Would it operate okay?

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Allan

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Bill46

07-16-2007 05:31:31

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

Will not hurt a thing Allan.
If you have a mandatory state inspection every year on the truck go talk to the guy who does the inspection and get his take on it. If he swabs the tank...then run it low and fill the tank a few times with highway fuel before he does it.
I keep hearing horror stories of DOT pulling pickups over and checking fuel...and I have never seen one yet and I have been all over.
In California I am told they pull them over if they are smoking too much...but I do not go there on purpose anyway.
Bottom line, it will not hurt the truck. And, as little as you drive, it will not kill the planet soon either.
My 2 cents....

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Leland

07-13-2007 23:19:52

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

I would find a fuel additiave like some older polar power with Z-4 this dyes the fuel red also so if you ever get stopped just show them the can you just happen to keep behind the seat . just make sure you have currewnt fuel reciepts to prove that taxed fuel has been going into this truck . belive me it works .

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wayne2

07-13-2007 22:02:44

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

I'd do it if I could!!!!!

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John A.

07-13-2007 21:03:05

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

Allan, The problem is not weather your engine will function properly or not. Red DSL will work just fine till Neb-DOT pull you over and runs a swab into your fuel tank! As we all know The basic difference is the red dye put in the DSL. What you May Not Know is that dye, Stains the internals of the DSL System. The insides of the fuel lines, the pump, the hard lines to the injectors, and injectors, and lets not forget the return line to the pump! That dye will stay in a engine for a long, long, long, long, time even if all you did was put in one tank. That red reside will stain a swab and get you a ticket for a long while now.
Your Filter is red too also it will need to be changes NOW! Here in Texas an offence can get you a $20,000 Fine. I know of an old rancher that has a 2000 Chevy 3/4 ton 4x4 that has had nothing but Red DSL since he got it, it has 95K miles on it now. This truck will not pass a TX-DOT test today. the only way it would pass is change out the whole system, Tank, lines, DSL pump, hardlines, injectors and return line too.
Yes this truck is an extreme case but it will show you to what extent that dye can get you in trouble. If all you did was put in 10 gal or so to get home, run it very low to get rid of the lions share of red DSL, do this 2 or 3 times, then put in a new filter and start over again one more time, or just plead ignorance to the Neb-DPS Officer who swabs you tank if you get stopped. Then again you may never ger tagged for inspection.
My Uncle took an inspection about 3 yrs ago. After hauling his cattle, with his Kenworth truck all day. He was dangeriously low on DSL,It was almost dark-30. His son had a Farm DSL wagon close, pumped in 10 gal just to get to the Salebarn then home. Okla-DPS picked his truck to check, He told the officer his story, about needing to get the last load to the salebarn and the sale was almost over, Being almost out of DSL and going back to the farmstead was just not possible. so he got 10 gal to get done. The offocers were Not Impressed.....He still got a $1000 fine out of that deal. His Pickups, OTR trucks Do Not Get Close to the Red DSL pump.
This probably won't happen, but it could. get that red DSL out of there ASAP. Later My Friend,
John A.

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MSM

07-13-2007 20:59:29

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

I wouldn"t if it is high sulpher fuel. It will go into regeneration mode much sooner and more often than it normally would,and if there are any drivability problems and it goes to the dealer and they pull up the history you are liable to be without a warranty and a fairly spendy bill for a new particulate filter. Another thing with those new trucks,don"t park them in high grass or fodder,or anound anything that is combustible and leave it running unattended.It can go into the regeneration mode to burn out the particulate filter,and it will set it on fire due to the extreme (1700+degree)heat.

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Scotmac

07-13-2007 17:26:19

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

Allan...got a new email adress. Ping me. Thanks

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justanothercase

07-13-2007 16:07:11

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

watch out they have a special honeycomb looking filter that will plug when died fuel is ran through it. I believe it is kind of spendy too. i read about it in dakota farmer magazine a few months ago.

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the tractor vet

07-13-2007 15:51:13

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

Won't hurt a thing in a pinch but don't make a habbit out of it . Ya gotta love the OLD stuff as it will run anything . I'll stick with my OLD Dodge with the Inline bosh pump and the BIG empty hole where the cat USE to be 1 Qt. of ATF with every tank and i realy don't care if the fuel turns a little red .

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kelly Campbell

07-13-2007 15:32:04

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

I"d just check with your fuel supplier to see it there brining you ULSD that"s dyed before you run any of what you have...

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TGIN

07-13-2007 15:13:14

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

Hey Allan , sounds like ya might want to keep ya a can or two of truck fuel out at the farm . Seems like it gets harder to win this game all the time !!

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IaGary

07-13-2007 15:01:48

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

" Accidently" third party image

ROTFLMAO!!!!

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Luke S

07-13-2007 12:39:43

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

The new 6.4L MUST use the ultra-low sulfur(15ppm sulfur) or the new emissions equipment will be damaged if done too much. The new 6.7L Cummins is the same way as is the new LMM Duramax. Now, if the blenders are making farm fuel out of ULSD it'd be all right, but in my area the on road pumps are all ULSD(15ppm sulfur) and the off road is still LSD(500ppm sulfur). Most people don't understand this at all in any way shape or form, but since I sell Dodge and GM trucks I have to be able to explain it to customers.

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Bob in NC IA

07-13-2007 20:59:43

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Re: Opinion in reply to Luke S, 07-13-2007 12:39:43

How are the new 2007 diesels regarding mileage complared to the 2006 models?

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RodInNS

07-13-2007 14:40:46

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Re: Opinion in reply to Luke S, 07-13-2007 12:39:43

You hit the nail on the head.

The 08 engines must use fuel with a sulphur content less than 15 ppm, or it will plug the emissions equipment.
The dye has nothing to do with it.

Now where I'm at, my supplier simply drops the dye in a tank of ULSD.... so it's not going to hurt the new engines one little bit.

Although, Alan, I'll tell you this.... I already got the badge of honor from the tax department for doing exactly what you "might" theroetically do. I made the mistake of leaving less than 50 L in the saddle tank of a truck sitting in the yard, and the dipstick came in and dipped the tank when nobody was around. We had the fortune of having a summons delivered, we had to appear in court, and either plead not guilty and take a trial date for about this time of year or pay a 300 dollar fine.
The monetary fine wasn't that big, but the 2 month suspension of our fuel permit wasn't so nice. We got around it in the winter by having the tanks full.... even though we wern't supposed to use that fuel. However, if we'd gone to court in July, we'd still have lost the battle, and then we wouldn't be able to buy fuel for 2 months of the busiest season.

I'd think it would pay you to keep a can of clear around if you're worried about running out.... and then you don't have to wonder if your supplier is using ULSD for farm fuel.

Rod

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kyplowboy

07-13-2007 17:38:06

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Re: Opinion in reply to RodInNS, 07-13-2007 14:40:46

If you got off with a $300 fine you did not do too bad. I know alot of people who have been hit harder than that on the fist time. I try very hard not to "mess up".

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RodInNS

07-14-2007 00:49:14

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Re: Opinion in reply to kyplowboy, 07-13-2007 17:38:06

Yeah, that was the minimum. The old man made a fool of the Crown prosecutor, and the judge rather enjoyed it.....
They were looking for a $450 fine.... but he only gave the minimum of 300. I think the second offence would be 1000, and the third would be 2000.... and then there's time on them too if they see fit.... but those are the minimum fines....
It was kinda funny that the old man made a fool of some young Crown.... I figure that's the only reason we got off easy. Too this day the old man still thinks he'd have one that fight.... Might have won round one, but it would have only been on language in the ACT... and it wouldn't have been long before the government corrected the language. I didn't see the need for us to be the test case....

It's just not worth the trouble it saves to burn a few gallons of dyed fuel.....

Rod

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Allan In NE

07-13-2007 13:19:33

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Re: Opinion in reply to Luke S, 07-13-2007 12:39:43

Thanks Luke,

That's what I wanted to know.

Say for instance, once in a great, great while I run into the situation where I'm 7 gizzillion miles from nowhere and simply "have" to use farm fuel or walk that 7 gizzillion miles back to civilization.

I don't want to wreck an engine if I happen to use the stuff in an emergency situation every once in a great while.

Thanks,

Allan

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JJ-John

07-13-2007 21:11:33

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 13:19:33

I'll just say I worked on the emission systems development of one of the three major diesel engines put in us pickups. You run the risk of poisoning the catalyst by burning high sulfur fuel. The concentration of particular oxides developed during combustion could exceed safe levels. So that's the answer to problem number one.

Problem number two is that you bought a 2008 powerstroke. Ouch. Like Luke said, the Cummins engine (and they izuzu as well) has a much simpler and robust emission system. Ford is off to a wonderful start with the after treatment system fires that have been experiencing. Are you carrying a fire extinguisher? I wish you luck and hope you have a good warranty.

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Luke S

07-13-2007 14:58:52

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 13:19:33

On a Ford I can't say, their emission system is much more complex than the Dodge's I sell, but on the Dodge I have seen a few guys use a small amount of it with no "immediate" trouble. The truck will just go into regeneration mode more often, where it basically burns out the particulate filter and the oxidation catylst, the more times it has to do that the sooner it will wear out those components. If you drive at higher speeds, do heavy pulling and don't do much idling and city driving it will keep itself cleaned out and may hardly ever go into regen mode.

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Jerry/MT

07-13-2007 12:37:58

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

The only bad thing that would happen is that if the state patrol happened to check your fuel and it had red dye in it you might get a big fine for using untaxed fuel on the highway.

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ebbsspeed

07-13-2007 12:33:57

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

You can buy diesel dye to make it virtually any color you want. Or just dump a gallon of green or blue 2-cycle motor oil into your tank, it'll make the fuel black, and the tax boys won't know what the heck is going on. Tell 'em it's used french fry oil..... .

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kyplowboy

07-13-2007 17:41:25

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Re: Opinion in reply to ebbsspeed, 07-13-2007 12:33:57

If it is on thier roads, they want you to pay taxes on it. Even if it did come out of McDonald's deep frier.

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ToddLevi

07-13-2007 12:23:29

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

These engines use a "plasma " catalytic converter.If you use high sulphur fuel in them it will plug up and need to be replaced at 10,000 miles instead of 120,000 miles.The engine will run fine until that point. My source was a regional Ford rep.

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georgeky

07-13-2007 12:06:29

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

Allan, I don't know about the new ones, but it hasen't hurt my 96 Power stroke at all. 248,000 miles and still going. It was a pure accident that I have been running off road fuel in it. They check for it at the stock yards while folks are watching the sale. Lots of folks here have been fined quite heavy for running it and nearly all are caught at the sale.

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CumminsMan

07-13-2007 12:01:03

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

I don"t think those engines are required to run the ultra low sulfer fuel, so no hurt. What"d you get a new truck? A friend of mine, powerstroke mechanic, says the new 6.4 is by far a better motor than the 6.0 it replaces. Then again he drives a Cummins, so go figure.

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Johnski

07-13-2007 11:58:20

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

This!

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Johnski

07-13-2007 11:59:53

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Re: Opinion in reply to Johnski, 07-13-2007 11:58:20

OOp's I guess I didn't post the link right. Go here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd7m4mm9ZNM

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old

07-13-2007 11:45:10

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

It will run just fine. Only difference in them is one has red dye in it and the other type doesn't. But don't get caught useing it unless you only use it off road. Theres a real big fine for doing that

Hobby farm

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Mike (WA)

07-13-2007 11:35:24

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

I don't know how active the "tax cops" are in Nebraska- but I might stay away from auction sales, farm stores and other places were farmers congregate, for awhile until it works its way out. The fines are hellaceous.

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Ludwig

07-13-2007 11:31:42

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

Depends on if its ULSD or not. If not it probably wouldn't hurt anything for awhile.
Actually I don't know if pickups fall under the ULSD rules or not. I know the mileage standards apply differently to them, especially 1 ton and larger trucks.
Anyway, if it was an engine that required ULSD and you used LSD you would quite likely cause big expensive troubles...

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Leon R

07-13-2007 11:21:28

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Re: Opinion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-13-2007 11:16:40

They sure better run on it. A lot of people have bought them for farm use. That would be all Ford would need was another problem with their Powerstroke engine.

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